What then of that other 'stuff', that may be called 'spirit'?
On 28 Apr, 16:10, Alan Wostenberg <[email protected]> wrote: > On Apr 27, 5:01 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 27 Apr, 00:01, Alan Wostenberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Aliens or God? To ask the question is to agree God is not an alien. > > > That would be like asking: "Aliens or Anna(*)? For God is a proper > > > noun naming a unique individual, while alien is a common noun naming a > > > class. So how is God unlike an alien? For one things, if he classic > > > theistic arguments are correct, the aliens are as much a creature of > > > God as you or I. > > > Exactly. And, of course, who's to say that aliens aren't what God > > referred to as 'Djinn' in the Qur'an? If THAT equation is correct, > > that would mean that the chief of the Djinn is, in fact, Iblis/Satan > > and Hawking is right in thinking we'd be better off avoiding them. > > > > We are fascinated by the prospect of non-human intelligent beings that > > > are not God. In past it would not be fear of aliens, but fear of > > > devils (fallen angels). > > > Thus my statement above. They could be one and the same. > > > > In fact the argument for aliens is a degraded form of the argument for > > > angels. It is the ontological principle of plenitude applied to space > > > instead of the hierarchy of being. Listen to Hawking: > > > Not exactly. Whilst Djinn were made of fire, angels were made of > > light and men from clay/earth. The underlying material used to > > support the life structure is different, thus making the differences > > in how they act, interact and live/die. Light, being photons, is > > already at the point of being a quanta of E-M energy, which isa great > > advantage, as it cannot be broken down, thus the angels' immortality. > > But fire can be put out and we know that we can die. And both Djinn > > and Men are said to be mortal whereas angels are said to be immortal. > > An image of an angel made of light is better than the new age cuddly > kind! But if angels were made of light, they could not be immortal, > because whatever is made of parts, can be taken apart. They would > differ in degree not kind from men, djinn, aliens, and other embodied > intellects. > > Conversely, if angels are to be thought of as immortal, it follows > they are not composed of parts. Not even photons! > > > > > > "The universe, he points out, has 100 billion galaxies, each > > > containing hundreds of millions of stars. In such a big place, Earth > > > is unlikely to be the only planet where life has evolved." > > > > (*) Anna is the proper name of the head of the V > > > alienshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visitors_(V) > > > > On Apr 25, 12:33 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It will soon be reported on Discovery Channel that Stephen Hawkings > > > > warns us to talk to aliens. Now, what I ask myself is, what should we > > > > fear more: God(s) or aliens? For what reasons? > > > > >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article7107207.ece > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]. > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
