On 13 May, 03:05, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > That's interesting Pat, I always wondered why I always hear references > to Hermes Tris-megistus and the nine doctrines, Melchizedek and Kabbala > yet so little of the Zohar, 3rd Enoch, Ibis, Metatron, etc. I think the > heritage crossed paths many times between the Semites and Egyptians. Has > anyone placed the origins to specific tribes yet? Or found good > indications of pre-historic origins? Interesting things were also > happening in S. America and Asia, perhaps a little less known. Not > presuming you know, but you two are obviously scholars and it would be > nice to get your opinions. >
Ibis or Iblis? The first is a bird (associated with Thoth) the second is the name of the leader of the Jinn. The only link I remember between 3rd Enoch and Metatron was the concept brought out in the book that Enoch was transformed INTO the angel Metatron. Which, if true, could imply that Elijah (who, like Enoch, was 'translated' into heaven) was transformed into Metatron's counterpart, Sandalphon. The two are often associated. One association was that they were the names of the 'cherubim' on the lid of the Ark of the Covenant. But, of course, 'that Ark' was AFTER Enoch but before Elijah, so there's a bit of a temporal discontinuity there. That said, God would be aware of His plans long before they were implemented in our relative timeframe. And, of course, the Enoch/Elijah pairing as being the 'two witnesses' of John's 'Revelation' is another theory that links in, as well. As far as a link between the Semites and Egypt, well, it's Moses. He was born Semitic, raised in the Egyptian royal house and then led the Hebrews out of bondage. In truth, Moses was "Prince Tutmosis" the eldest son of Amenhotep III, who was never buried in his tomb. Rather, he 'disappeared' from Egyptian records. The only mummified remains found IN Prince Tutmosis' tomb were those of his pet cat. As Tutmosis was first in line for the throne, his disappearance paved the way for his brother, Amenhotep IV, who later changed his name to Ankhehaten and tried to instil monotheism to Egypt. His son, Tutankhaten, carried on after him, but was very young and was forced to change his name to Tutankhamen and he didn't last very long; thus, Egypt reverted to their old, polytheistic ways. Prince Tutmosis was a high priest of Thoth (Tut) and was also a great general who had subdued a great part of Abyssinia before his mysterious departure. All of this fits perfectly with the 'Moses' story and explains why his brother (well, step-brother, in reality) became monotheistic, as he had seen, first hand, the power of the God of Abraham (the God of the Hebrews). Thus the whole concept of having 'an Ark' is VERY Egyptian and stood as a means of bridging the gaps between the Egyptian faith and the Semitic faith. Also, the very first line of Genesis 1:1 contains a pun based on the Egyptian language and the Hebrew language. The phrase: "In the beginning God created" is, in Hebrew, "Berashith Elohim bera". The word 'bera' (meaning 'created') is very close to sounding like the Egyptian "Ba Ra", the soul of Ra, which was the Creator aspect of Ra, the chief God of the Egyptians at that time. Thus the pun. It was almost a way of making the Hebrew phrase read to mean "In the beginning, Elohim (is) Ba Ra". Thus forming a scriptural bridge between the two faiths. Moses was NOT just dealing with Hebrews, there was a whole 'mixed multitude' of people that left with them and most of the mixed multitude were comfortable with the Egyptian faith. This scriptural 'beginning', I believe, was a way of getting them 'on board' by equating Elohim (the Hebrew Creator) with Ba Ra (the Egyptian Creator) and helping the mixed multitude to accept the Abrahamic Hebrew (now Jewish) faith as being strongly linked to the Egyptian faith, although in a way that corrected the polytheistic 'mistake' of the Egyptians. BTW, this is NOT material that would be presented in my book. Rather, it's just data I've gleaned over time through my own research. You see, it's handy to have a Egyptian Hieroglyph-to-English Dictionary at home. Without it, I would never have discovered that pun in Genesis 1:1. > On 5/12/2010 10:05 AM, Pat wrote: > > > > > > > On 12 May, 13:52, DarkwaterBlight<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Interesting that the apparition that you describe here and I believe > >> in another thread uses the name Azrael.The translation to this name is > >> literally the one who God helps. > > > Actually, I'd say it's "The Helper of God", i.e., the other way > > around. But, yes. I have mentioned him before. > > >> In Kabalistic lore this is the name > >> of the angel of death or Malak al-Maut in Islam. Though the name > >> Azrael is not referenced in the Koran it is the same character. > > > Again, correct. "Izra'il" is mentioned in hadith but not the Qur'an. > > But, yes, it was the Angel of Death. But the whole story, if > > disclosed, could reveal enough details to potentially add shame to an > > old couple (the parents of the person who posed the threat), so, for > > their sake, I won't divulge too much...just in case either of them > > have access to the internet and may stumble across it (although they > > would be quite old now, it's still possible that one or both are > > alive). I wouldn't like to think that I caused them more grief than > > he did already. And, as I DID say, he is no longer alive. > > > BTW, I studied kabbalah (the REAL stuff, not the Madonna-esque wearing > > a red-string and think you're an expert stuff) for several years. > > I've read the Zohar twice and have developed an entire way to > > interpret a horoscope based on the system of letter-to-planet/sign > > attributes laid down in the Sefer Yetzirah (which MAY be 'the scroll > > of Abraham' alluded to in the Qur'an) with pretty amazing results. > > I'd also strongly recommend 'The Bahir' as a book worth reading and re- > > reading. > > >> On May 12, 7:50 am, Pat<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> On 11 May, 23:18, Manfraco Frank Elder<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> Hi everybody! > >>>> Pat, so you have had this experience of being protected, I have had > >>>> this experience too, but mine was real: > > >>> So was mine...real, that is. I've named the entity in my response to > >>> Gabby. I've only seen him once, but, I expect to see him again; just, > >>> hopefully, not for a few years. ;-) > > >>>> One day I was walking on this > >>>> footpath, when two or three young people jumped out of a car, one of > >>>> them said we are going to bash you, I was scared but kept walking on > >>>> as if I had not heard him, he repeated his threat and was about to > >>>> charge me when a large strong man came to my rescue and took my place, > >>>> and staring in this young chap face he said; you mean to bash me and > >>>> who is going to do the bashing!? hmmm! > >>>> Suddenly these youths realised that they were no mach with this man > >>>> and jumped in the car and off they went. > > >>>> RP, > >>>> <God is the mind which concieves the universe , He is the mind which > >>>> runs it, and He is the mind which destroys it. He does not see in the > >>>> manner in which we see each other and He does not act in the manner > >>>> in > >>>> which we act. His awareness and action is transcendental in nature.> > >>>> I personally agree with your description of God, except for the > >>>> phrase, "he is the mind which destroys it'', because in my belief God > >>>> is part of the whole cosmos and therefore God will never want to > >>>> destroy himself. > > >>>> SP, > >>>> You that dreams about going around in the universe, and in your dreams > >>>> you have to be part of the cosmos and you want to know if there is a > >>>> way that links everything together, I am wondering why you do not go > >>>> along with the idea expressed in this thread? > >>>> My regards > >>>> Manfraco > > >>>> On May 12, 12:52 am, Pat<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> On 11 May, 14:57, DarkwaterBlight<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> I believe that Slip is coming from his own 'cosmic' vantage point, so > >>>>>> to speak.My personal beliefs always come into play when expressing > >>>>>> myself and, though not always agreed upon by others, they are no less > >>>>>> relevant to our cosmic co-existance. The fact that I can relate to his > >>>>>> way of thinking is in no way contrary to my theistic veiws. It is only > >>>>>> natural to to look to our experiences to help support our beliefs and > >>>>>> when I look to my own I can see times when there was serious doubt > >>>>>> about the existance of any God. I may have scraped the whole notion > >>>>>> had not other thing occured to re-enforce what I already 'knew'. There > >>>>>> are many 'reasons' not to believe but the reasons to believe far out > >>>>>> weigh them for me. > > >>>>> I agree. In fact, if it weren't for one particularly strange > >>>>> experience, I might still be in doubt. But it's those 'rare' events > >>>>> that don't happen to most people that, when they DO happen to one of > >>>>> us, is absolutely convincing. In my own case, I was confronted with > >>>>> an entity that, for most of us, would remain 'unseen'. But it was > >>>>> given a visible form and served to protect me against a potential > >>>>> threat to my life. The individual who posed that threat has been dead > >>>>> for some 14 years, now; but, I am still here. So, the apparition > >>>>> worked!! > > >>>>>> On May 11, 7:34 am, Pat<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>> On 11 May, 09:49, rigsy03<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> I have seen too many surprise turn-arounds to think money is the > >>>>>>>> measure of anything and no one knows how they will end their days. > >>>>>>>> Plus all babies are born pretty much the same, aren't they? Why not > >>>>>>>> say your parents were dirt poor or filthy rich or whatever? > > >>>>>>> I think Slip was saying that his personal wealth was gained through > >>>>>>> self discovery and that he really wasn't speaking of material wealth. > >>>>>>> Unless I read his heart incorrectly. > > >>>>>>>> On May 10, 8:41 pm, Slip Disc<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> Really dude, stop whatever you are doing, get a grip, we don't have > >>>>>>>>> any "Need" to be "Supreme" and there is no drive to become anything > >>>>>>>>> more than what we are except by people like you that constantly push > >>>>>>>>> this idea on the world. > >>>>>>>>> The universe is just there, accept it. > >>>>>>>>> You want a God because of all your own personal inadequacies which > >>>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>> want to attribute to something "out there". > >>>>>>>>> There is nothing out there except other planets, stars and other > >>>>>>>>> theories of strings and things. > >>>>>>>>> Take control of yourself and your world because that is all you > >>>>>>>>> have, > >>>>>>>>> from birth to death. > >>>>>>>>> Stop trying to comprehend the "HIM" when there is no him. > >>>>>>>>> There is only you and the 24 hour period of time you have to spend > >>>>>>>>> your day. > >>>>>>>>> Stop wasting your days worrying about anything beyond your own > >>>>>>>>> personal space. > >>>>>>>>> I was born in abject poverty and the day I discovered "ME", was the > >>>>>>>>> day I realized my richness. There is nothing out there that is more > >>>>>>>>> than what is within "YOU". > >>>>>>>>> I am happy to say that I am wealthy today because I put stock into > >>>>>>>>> my > >>>>>>>>> person and not into some fantasy deity who is all knowing and a > >>>>>>>>> vindictive control freak, and of course to whom I was supposed to > >>>>>>>>> give > >>>>>>>>> 10% of my earnings to which actually goes to the purveyors of such > >>>>>>>>> dead meat. > >>>>>>>>> Keep falling for the bullshit and that is what you are going to wind > >>>>>>>>> up in. > > >>>>>>>>> On May 7, 9:53 am, RP<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> God is the mind which concieves the universe , He is the mind which > >>>>>>>>>> runs it, and He is the mind which destroys it. He does not see in > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> manner in which we see each other and He does not act in the > >>>>>>>>>> manner in > >>>>>>>>>> which we act. His awareness and action is transcendental in > >>>>>>>>>> nature. 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