.. collective conciousness is like a an organism yeah..with each of us as the cells huh
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:17 AM, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]>wrote: > Perhaps not kid. The asumption that parallel universes exist go hand > in hand with spirituality, enlightenment and collective consciosness. > The latter sometimes being described as parallel universe or at the > very least another dimension. The fact that information can travel > faster than the speed of light via collective consciosness goes > against physical "law" and hence implies that there are "holes" in the > so called empty space in our universe! Where do they go and come from? > These "holes" have been described in theory as mini white or black > holes and they exist every where! Through these holes (in theory) > there is an a flux of energy or feild that flows. > > On Jul 7, 2:09 pm, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > i think we have deviated a lot fom where we started... > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:22 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > No one can call his subjective beliefs as knowledge and my beliefs, > which > > > to me stand as proved, my opinions and insinuations. > > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:39 AM, DarkwaterBlight < > [email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > >> You need only to prove to yourself what you believe my friend. ;) > > > > >> On Jul 7, 1:07 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Prove to me and all that you are anything beyond this body as you > > >> claim. > > >> > Prove that you can be one with theTruth while still in this body. > > >> Whatever > > >> > you claim is just subjective and cannot be proved. How then can you > ask > > >> me > > >> > to prove what I believe? Is that not subjective also? What is God or > > >> Truth? > > >> > Is that also not subjective? > > > > >> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:25 AM, vamadevananda < > [email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > You speak as if you know. > > > > >> > > Only let know what you know, beyond your opinions and > > >> > > insinuations ! ? > > > > >> > > On Jul 7, 9:16 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > The so-called state of enlightenment or self-realisation is > simply a > > >> > > state > > >> > > > of awareness of the organism like deep-sleep state, dream-state, > > >> awaken > > >> > > > state. Equating the individual self or ahamkara to the Self or > > >> Truth, God > > >> > > , > > >> > > > Atma is just human egoism and a desire of man to be supreme or > God. > > > > >> > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:44 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > So I would be interested in how you shifted your attitude from > a > > >> > > > > relativistic subjective position like mine to what I imagined > you > > >> > > believe is > > >> > > > > an objective enlightened one? I am truly interested in the > steps > > >> you > > >> > > took to > > >> > > > > get there. I also appreciate the fact that beyond a certain > point > > >> you > > >> > > will > > >> > > > > probably say that words are inadequate to describe the > process. > > >> However > > >> > > some > > >> > > > > of the process is probably describable. No? > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > To: [email protected] > > >> > > > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 9:25 am > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > >> > > > > Cannot say much about your chain of thoughts, though > commonplace ( > > >> for > > >> > > > > they're the very same that held sway over me not so long ago > ), > > >> because > > >> > > they > > >> > > > > have roots and causes within you. > > > > >> > > > > The self is not negated but known. Which isn't being superior > - > > >> > > inferior > > >> > > > > but being true, without the least psychology we are all caught > up > > >> in. > > > > >> > > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> You are apparently saying that awareness can be pure (free > from > > >> > > > >> contaminating subjectivity hence by passing interpretation). > > >> Further > > >> > > that > > >> > > > >> the experience of 'pure' awareness enables the experiencer to > > >> obtain > > >> > > an > > >> > > > >> assumed pre existing knowledge of everything. In that case I > am > > >> doomed > > >> > > to > > >> > > > >> experience impure awareness as it makes absolutely no sense > to me > > >> that > > >> > > what > > >> > > > >> ever I perceive does not necessarily involve something of my > > >> personal > > >> > > self > > >> > > > >> added to whatever awareness I have. Further if such pure > > >> awareness you > > >> > > claim > > >> > > > >> exists which I think equals the claims of the mystic's > assertions > > >> of > > >> > > > >> ineffability of such pure direct awareness - then to speak of > the > > >> > > > >> unspeakable seems to me to be little more than an expression > of > > >> > > spiritual > > >> > > > >> narcissism. To me at my age of 73 - this talk translated into > > >> human > > >> > > talk is > > >> > > > >> really saying something like: I know something you don't > know > > >> and > > >> > > what I > > >> > > > >> know is vastly superior to what you know and don't play word > > >> games > > >> > > with me > > >> > > > >> when I say no words can describe it because that is the truth > and > > >> too > > >> > > bad > > >> > > > >> you don't know it. > > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> > > > >> From: Molly <[email protected]> > > >> > > > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > >> > > > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 7:48 am > > >> > > > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > >> > > > >> Very good! > > > > >> > > > >> On Jul 7, 3:58 am, ashok tewari <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > Telling doesn't help, as in wouldn't communicate. > > > > >> > > > >> > Try being without the relatedness you feel for things you > know, > > >> even > > >> > > for a > > > > >> > > > >> > moment, as you do in the state of deep sleep, without > actually > > >> > > falling deep > > > > >> > > > >> > asleep ! > > > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:47 AM, <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > Pray tell. > > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > > > >> > > From: ashok tewari <[email protected]> > > > > >> > > > >> > > To: [email protected] > > > > >> > > > >> > > Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 2:12 am > > > > >> > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > >> > > > >> > > " Or do you somehow have special knowledge?" > > > > >> > > > >> > > I do. > > > > >> > > > >> > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:07 AM, <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > >> Assuming you are a human and not the "God" you are > > >> describing - > > >> > > then you > > > > >> > > > >> > >> can not be certain that > > > > >> > > > >> > >> the assertions you are making about absolute reality are > > >> > > accurate. So we > > > > >> > > > >> > >> are back to the position of Aquinas re > > > > >> > > > >> > >> faith and reason. As a man of faith you can believe > whatever > > >> you > > >> > > wish and > > > > >> > > > >> > >> obviously do - but in terms of > > > > >> > > > >> > >> reason you apparently know as little for certain as the > rest > > >> of > > >> > > us. Or do > > > > >> > > > >> > >> you somehow have special knowledge? > > > > >> > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > > > >> > >> From: vamadevananda <[email protected]> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 12:25 am > > > > >> > > > >> > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > >> > > > >> > >> It is unknown to us humans. It is known to God, but not > in > > >> the > > >> > > manner > > > > >> > > > >> > >> in which humans relate to things known to them or to > matters > > >> > > unknown. > > > > >> > > > >> > >> On Jul 6, 6:36 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > But -is the future known or unknown? > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 2:20 am > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > Did I not say that the future is yet to come? So, we > live > > >> for > > >> > > the > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > future and whatever we do will effect the future. > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > On Jul 6, 10:01 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > If all is known then why bother to live your life. > What > > >> is > > >> > > the point > > > > >> > > > >> if all > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > is already forgone? > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > From: Manfraco Frank Elder <[email protected]> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 6:03 pm > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Parallel Universes > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > My spiritual parallel universe is the cosmos, where > all > > >> > > records are > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > kept past and present is all there, the future is > yet to > > >> come > > >> > > and > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > nobody knows anything about it, in the cosmos of the > > >> universe > > >> > > is where > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > God resides that is why God knows everything. > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > On Jul 5, 1:38 pm, "pol.science kid" < > > >> [email protected]> > > >> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > I guess parallel universes have a slight > difference of > > > > >> > > > >> events..involving > > > > >> > > > >> > >> the > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > same elements..like hitler being assasinated..how > bout > > >> > > that.. or isnt > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > it.. no idea.. > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Manfraco Frank > Elder > > > > >> > > > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Hi RP and everybody else! > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > I believe that there has to be a parallel > universe. > > >> For > > >> > > me my > > > > >> > > > >> parallel > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > universe is where all the unexplained spiritual > > >> things > > >> > > reside, > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > otherwise if we believe in anything at all where > are > > >> > > those things > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > which we believe in reside? > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > God, gods, angels of all sorts, souls of past > and > > >> future > > >> > > people and > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > other unseen spiritual things have to be in this > > >> parallel > > >> > > universe > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > since we cannot see them; if we deny that a > > >> spiritual > > >> > > parallel > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > universe exist, then we may be forced to deny > the > > >> > > existence of any > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > spiritual things? > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > This is my personal thought about the existence > of a > > >> > > parallel > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > spiritual universe; if there is more than one > > >> parallel > > >> > > universe I > > > > >> > > > >> do > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > not have a clue. > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > My regards > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Manfraco > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > On Jul 3, 10:15 pm, RP <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > -- \--/ Peace
