All of that (see below) can be traced back to a deeper and inborn fear of a woman's ability to carry on the species and a man's lack of ability to do the same. For all the man's sperm, it still takes a woman's egg and a nurturing womb for nine months to produce a child. For me it all fits Lederer's proposition. You should read him before you criticize hm.
On Jul 10, 7:14 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I have different thoughts on the matter of male suspicion/fear of > women, one being the trama of separation from the mother a male feels > early in childhood when he loses his mother's protection and must fend > for himself in the world of boys and men- it is a different struggle > for females with their mother and father. It later becomes a challenge > to deal with female verbal skills and what is percieved as irrational > emotions- and they can be- not that war and pillage are rational > exploits. Another is the later competiton between husband and children > for the attention of the woman/wife/mother. Some people just like the > hunt. I think the Greeks and Romans understood matters very well. > Hesiod and Cato have marvelous rants against the female. > > On Jul 9, 12:26 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > "... On Jul 9, 5:47 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: ..." > > > > While the firmness appeal seems > > > the primary motivating factor with the youth group, I'm afraid the > > > disparate energy ratio would prove itself to be the humbling reality > > > check. > > > Ahh, yes. Firmness, smoothness, color, a delicate layer of golden > > hair, such are the desires of both young and old men. I can > > personally attest to the disparate energy ratio and how much a younger > > woman detests being passed out on during orgasm regardless that's it's > > medical and not alcoholic in nature. > > > But for older women, I have to confess I have little in common > > sufficient to a relationship let alone hooking up. I even doubt I'd > > enjoy Raquel Welch. And I also have to factor in the reality that I > > tend to be drawn to women similar in nature and character to the ones > > who raised me and they were not the best lot to choose from. On a > > scale of sanity the women in my life have chronologically grown > > further from functionality and reality the older I get. Which might > > be alright but for me being drawn to reality. I'm a firm believer in > > Santayana's philosophy that unless one learns his or her past, that > > person is doomed to repeat it. This also holds true for societies. > > > So I'm not a valid judge of women in general. However, I'm an expert > > on the dysfunctional bitches I'm used to and can spot these vipers > > easily. Unfortunately it's taken me most of my life to learn to avoid > > the ones I'm drawn to. But given this bias and some other > > miscellaneous dysfunctions I'm a far better judge of canines than > > humans on a one-to-one basis. > > > > Climbing corporate ladders > > > will always be the same aside from gender issues; its simply a cut > > > throat business. > > > Aye, that it is and I believe we are beginning to find out what I've > > known for a long time: Women when given their head, have shown > > themselves to be more cutthroat than most men. No quarter given. > > I've heard it expressed that it is a woman's maternal protective > > instinct turned loose in a corporate or financial environment. > > > I've also seen reports indicating women drivers are by far the more > > aggressive drivers on the road. My personal experience is that they > > act like a bunch of testosterone high teenagers behind the wheel. In > > this neck of the woods -- uh, cactus I mean -- they also tend to drive > > the biggest, highest, noisiest, ugliest set of wheels you could > > imagine. And the women here are armed as much as the men. A cop > > once told me they get as many domestic violence calls against women as > > they do against men. The female portion of our imprisoned criminals > > has been steadily growing for decades now. Hell, Palin is turning a > > lot of right leaning women into Mama Grizzlies who want to tear > > Washington apart. I think female ferocity is highly > > underestimated. The ones that scare me the most are those who > > believe all men are violent and are out to kill them, and therefore > > become preemptively violent or highly deceptive and duplicitous. > > > In spite of my earlier experiences with women I've sought the grail of > > the male / female relationship most of my life. A professor named > > Eugene Lederer came as close to it as any I've read or examined: In a > > book entitled Fear of Women he details the history of how governments > > and religions have treated women -- especially the Catholic church, > > which has been especially vile toward the feminine half of our species > > -- and concludes in a logical and rational manner that the male of the > > species has a deep-seated fear of women resulting from their ability > > to give birth -- to carry on the species. It made sense to me then > > and still does today. It's a model that most of my experience fits > > into quite nicely. > > > > The chivalrous concepts > > > are all but gone and it is easily noticeable in society. > > > Much to my silent relief and gratitude. Chivalry always indicated > > behavior only by a man toward a woman. I feel chivalrous toward both > > sexes equally -- it's common courtesy -- but since that is frowned > > upon in many places, I've become rather unchivalrous in my golden > > years and simply no longer give a damn. > > > > There is part of me that always experiences a bit of a chuckle at that > > > sight > > > along with a bit of dismay at the thought; "this is what you wanted?". > > > For me it's where one looks. I can look at the more civilized layers > > of society and think, yes, this is what I wanted -- mainly because a > > sharing and equality in most of life between men and women reduces the > > burden yoked onto my back from days of chivalry and the weaker sex > > (which they never were but took full advantage of). I also have no > > objection to the grunt of a girl pushing shopping carts around the hot > > grinder. If that's all she's capable of than it's good she can find a > > job doing it. In fact, in this community, if it were not for the > > girls there'd be no one capable of gathering shopping carts together > > and putting them back in the proper place. > > > If Lederer is on to something with his proposition regarding male fear > > of the female, then the tensions can only get more strained since we > > are now in the day when it is possible for a woman to conceive and > > carry to term a child completely without intervention in any manner by > > a man. Now they've done away with us completely. We are irrelevant > > to the continuation of the species.
