Another powerful factor is memory and how memories of the dead stay with the living plus it is often a shock for children to lose their parents as they cannot conceive of a "world" without them plus now the child is "in charge" and on top of the heap- it can be traumatic leading to an almost super-ego ghost that continues to judge the child and affect so-called adulthood which actually remains infantile.
On Aug 7, 4:12 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > if you look at the thought as the origin of rebirth coming from the plant > life.. it would seem logical that that life would have to go some where,, > and considering the amount of natural hallucinogen out there,, a > hallucination could easily be called a ghost.. > all of which would contribute to the idea of rebirth.. > Allan > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > I love the Greek myths but I wouldn't discount the appearance of > > apparitions more commonly known as ghosts as pointing toward the idea > > of afterlife. Appearances may have been more common in primitive > > times but also emphasis should be placed on the importance of the > > dream realm and what it represented to the ancients. One may have > > dreamed of encounters with deceased relatives and then reported to > > others that they are living in some afterlife world. There wasn't any > > Freudian psycho analysis to explain otherwise at the time. > > > On Aug 5, 5:55 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Also a ritual- the Vikings set afire at sea, Inquisition and Salem > > > witch punishments, the Holocaust, Indian wives throwing themselves on > > > a bonfire when their husband dies, etc. But I was also thinking today > > > that the whole notion of of an afterlife might have started with > > > primitive and ancient plant societies when they noticed the return of > > > perennial plants. And certain plants and trees figure in the Greek > > > myths as well. > > > > On Aug 5, 12:27 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Personally I like the bonfire idea going up in flames on top of a > > mountain > > > > releasing the soul and returning the ashes to the creators earth.. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:06 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Evelyn Waugh- "The Loved One" and "The American Way of > > Death"?-Jessica > > > > > Mitford? > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:57 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > One idea was that paradise or an afterlife was invented because > > real > > > > > > life was hard and filled with suffering- this would appeal to the > > poor/ > > > > > > ignorant in the case of early Christians. As for pharohs and other > > > > > > ancient rulers who were buried with life possessions and living > > > > > > servants- briefly- they were assumed to deserve immortality. Some > > have > > > > > > a great fear of burial/suffocation so elaborate caskets and > > masoleums > > > > > > tried to sooth fears. There are glass covered coffins and some > > world > > > > > > leaders have used them to display their remains. Copper vaults are > > > > > > added protection for caskets.//Which brings up the relics of > > saints. > > > > > > Shouldn't their bodies remain intact? What happens to the dead who > > > > > > have few body parts or those buried at sea? Are mummies > > rejects?//Read > > > > > > a satire on the whole business many years ago- about American > > funerals > > > > > > and graveyards- maybe from the '60's.//What about the sacrament of > > > > > > Extreme Unction where all your sins are forgiven just before death? > > > > > > Timing is everything! > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 1:21 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > RP No disrespect for any belief system, I personally can not > > help but > > > > > > > wonder what the original idea or concept was and what people > > added to > > > > > the > > > > > > > original thought because it sounded good and/or of the > > desire to > > > > > appear > > > > > > > to be a holy and spiritual person. Just putting out ideas and > > expanding > > > > > on > > > > > > > them not because they are the truth but because the words sound > > good > > > > > and > > > > > > > they convinced themselves it is the truth. > > > > > > > nothing is either right or wrong but thinking that makes it so > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:55 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > A person might have taken many births before this one. > > According to > > > > > Hindu > > > > > > > > mythology the soul has to pass birth in 8.4 million species > > before > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > birth in the human species. Also a person might have been born > > many > > > > > times as > > > > > > > > a human being , what I meant by first life was the very first > > time a > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > took birth. As he had never taken birth before that , then > > where were > > > > > his > > > > > > > > karma as a consequence of which he took birth. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> What I don't get is why he took > > > > > > > >> > birth in his first life? RP > > > > > > > > >> What do you mean by "take" birth? As in a choosing of or a > > life > > > > > > > >> assigned? > > > > > > > > >> Is there choice in reincarnation? > > > > > > > > >> Also, how could it be known if the prior life was the "first" > > life? > > > > > > > > >> On Aug 1, 1:41 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > According to the theory of reincarnation a person takes > > birth as a > > > > > > > >> > consequence of his actions in his past life. > > > > > > > > >> > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Slip Disc < > > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7Ge7Sogrk > > > > > > > > >> > > Does this example seem to give some credence to the idea > > of > > > > > > > >> > > reincarnation? > > > > > > > > >> > > Where does this Elephant get this ability? > > > > > > > > >> > > Are there random elements of soul/spirit floating about in > > the > > > > > cosmos? > > > > > > > > >> > > Or is this simply a product of a serious trainer animal > > > > > relationship? > > > > > > > > >> > > What are your thoughts on this? > > > > > >http://www.exoticworldgifts.com/Categories.bok?category=Elephant%20Pa > > . > > > > > > > >> .. > > > > > > > > >> > > I don't see too much variety in the compositions other > > than the > > > > > > > >> > > repetitive elephant pose and the floral arrangements so > > I'm > > > > > > > >> > > wondering. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > Be Paranoid. > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
