The universe which emerged out of nothing is evolving and growing according to laws , then those very laws have also come out of nothing , then conscious beings have also come out of nothing---- that is to say if the first cause is nothing then the end result , to all intents and purposes , can be said to come out of nothing. It is that nothing which I call God because see the whole universes which have come out of it and are evolving and growing as if they had a mind of their own. It is this mind which I call God.
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > There are many forces within the universe but they don't have to be > attributed to a design by super consciousness. On planet earth we > have a force called gravity but in outer space there is not gravity, > so essentially if you think that gravity is by nature a product of a > deity then non-gravity would conversely be a product of non-deity. > Because we are awed and mesmerized by many things in our world we have > a tendency to view it all anthropologically and assign traits to these > events based on that view. Thousands of years ago many different gods > were responsible for the many different events occurring on earth and > great effort was put forth to appease these gods with a myriad of > offerings including human sacrifice; we haven't ventured too far from > that behavior. Don't piss off the sun god or else we may have a bad > drought. > > On Aug 8, 9:40 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > That the universe originated and is progressing shows that there is a > force > > which is making it happen , and as we conscious beings have evolved it > shows > > that that the force is living and not dead otherwise there would have > been > > oblivion everywhere , which is not the case. You may call this force by > any > > name , Nature , God ,Truth , Reality or Atma. Ultimately it was this > force > > which was there before the universe originated and it will be there when > it > > is disintegrated. So if we consider this force to be above us there is > > nothing wrong in it. What is the state of being of this force I will not > > conjecture. > > > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Supreme peace is wonderful but you are posting on a great deal of > > > assumption. What occurs in one life does not necessarily have to > > > carry over into another life; assuming that there is an afterlife; no > > > one knows for sure and no one has ever come back with any certainty or > > > proof. If there is an afterlife then one may experience pain and > > > suffering in one life and experience a life of luxury and grandeur in > > > the next; a life filled with wealth and security. There are people > > > who are living wonderful lives at the same time others are living > > > horrible lives of suffering; why this is we cannot explain; it just > > > is. Attaining a oneness with God is based on the assumption that > > > there is a God which has been nothing more than theory and conjecture > > > throughout the history of mankind. No God has ever appeared to > > > establish existence and so the notion remains speculation and only > > > exists in the minds of people who want to believe in it. I merely > > > present the idea that afterlife is highly possible given the elements > > > that contribute to the possibility. I wouldn't venture to guess what > > > quality of life one would have during multiple experiences of > > > existence. I prefer to think that I have lived before and will live > > > again and have accumulated life experiences that contribute to my > > > persona. Many people are born with extraordinary abilities while > > > others are born with absolutely nothing aside from minimal brain > > > capacity so I wonder how else can we explain that phenomena other than > > > previous life experience. > > > > > On Aug 8, 9:37 am, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Don't you think it is better to attain supreme peace than to have > > > > alternating consciousness of sorrow and elation. Don't you think a > > > > person suffering greatly from acute pain of an irreversible disease > > > > should be given mercy killing? Is not one life of uncertainties > > > > enough for us than to cherish innumerable lifes? Yogis of yore made > > > > great efforts to escape the cycle of birth and death , desiring > > > > Moksha. The ultimate object was to attain oneness with God , whatever > > > > that state of being might be , I cannot say as I have never > > > > experienced it. But whatever that might be , I would still like to > > > > attain to it. > > > > > > On Aug 8, 6:03 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I guess that is the case; all afterlife must be happening somewhere > if > > > > > not here. It all makes more sense to me in this day and age on > > > > > account of cosmic knowledge, parallel universe and string theories. > > > > > I'm more convinced now of afterlife than ever just based on the > > > > > intensity of my lucid dreams. One could easily die in sleep and > > > > > remain within an occurring dream while the rest of the world views > the > > > > > cadaver as simply being dead and gone. The dead dreamer no longer > has > > > > > the physical capacity to return to the presence of the viewers at > the > > > > > funeral and so either remains in the dream or drifts about for an > > > > > opportunity to incarnate. > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 4:12 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > if you look at the thought as the origin of rebirth coming from > the > > > plant > > > > > > life.. it would seem logical that that life would have to go some > > > where,, > > > > > > and considering the amount of natural hallucinogen out there,, a > > > > > > hallucination could easily be called a ghost.. > > > > > > all of which would contribute to the idea of rebirth.. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > I love the Greek myths but I wouldn't discount the appearance > of > > > > > > > apparitions more commonly known as ghosts as pointing toward > the > > > idea > > > > > > > of afterlife. Appearances may have been more common in > primitive > > > > > > > times but also emphasis should be placed on the importance of > the > > > > > > > dream realm and what it represented to the ancients. One may > have > > > > > > > dreamed of encounters with deceased relatives and then reported > to > > > > > > > others that they are living in some afterlife world. There > wasn't > > > any > > > > > > > Freudian psycho analysis to explain otherwise at the time. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 5:55 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Also a ritual- the Vikings set afire at sea, Inquisition and > > > Salem > > > > > > > > witch punishments, the Holocaust, Indian wives throwing > > > themselves on > > > > > > > > a bonfire when their husband dies, etc. But I was also > thinking > > > today > > > > > > > > that the whole notion of of an afterlife might have started > with > > > > > > > > primitive and ancient plant societies when they noticed the > > > return of > > > > > > > > perennial plants. And certain plants and trees figure in the > > > Greek > > > > > > > > myths as well. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:27 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I like the bonfire idea going up in flames on > top > > > of a > > > > > > > mountain > > > > > > > > > releasing the soul and returning the ashes to the creators > > > earth.. > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:06 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Evelyn Waugh- "The Loved One" and "The American Way of > > > > > > > Death"?-Jessica > > > > > > > > > > Mitford? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:57 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > One idea was that paradise or an afterlife was invented > > > because > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > life was hard and filled with suffering- this would > appeal > > > to the > > > > > > > poor/ > > > > > > > > > > > ignorant in the case of early Christians. As for > pharohs > > > and other > > > > > > > > > > > ancient rulers who were buried with life possessions > and > > > living > > > > > > > > > > > servants- briefly- they were assumed to deserve > > > immortality. Some > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > a great fear of burial/suffocation so elaborate caskets > and > > > > > > > masoleums > > > > > > > > > > > tried to sooth fears. There are glass covered coffins > and > > > some > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > leaders have used them to display their remains. Copper > > > vaults are > > > > > > > > > > > added protection for caskets.//Which brings up the > relics > > > of > > > > > > > saints. > > > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't their bodies remain intact? What happens to > the > > > dead who > > > > > > > > > > > have few body parts or those buried at sea? Are mummies > > > > > > > rejects?//Read > > > > > > > > > > > a satire on the whole business many years ago- about > > > American > > > > > > > funerals > > > > > > > > > > > and graveyards- maybe from the '60's.//What about the > > > sacrament of > > > > > > > > > > > Extreme Unction where all your sins are forgiven just > > > before death? > > > > > > > > > > > Timing is everything! > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 1:21 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RP No disrespect for any belief system, I > personally > > > can not > > > > > > > help but > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder what the original idea or concept was and what > > > people > > > > > > > added to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > original thought because it sounded good and/or > of > > > the > > > > > > > desire to > > > > > > > > > > appear > > > > > > > > > > > > to be a holy and spiritual person. Just putting out > ideas > > > and > > > > > > > expanding > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > them not because they are the truth but because the > > > words sound > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > they convinced themselves it is the truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing is either right or wrong but thinking that > makes > > > it so > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:55 AM, RP Singh < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > A person might have taken many births before this > one. > > > > > > > According to > > > > > > > > > > Hindu > > > > > > > > > > > > > mythology the soul has to pass birth in 8.4 > million > > > species > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth in the human species. Also a person might > have > > > been born > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > times as > > > > > > > > > > > > > a human being , what I meant by first life was the > very > > > first > > > > > > > time a > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > took birth. As he had never taken birth before that > , > > > then > > > > > > > where were > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma as a consequence of which he took birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Slip Disc < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> What I don't get is why he took > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > birth in his first life? RP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> What do you mean by "take" birth? As in a > choosing of > > > or a > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > >> assigned? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Is there choice in reincarnation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Also, how could it be known if the prior life was > the > > > "first" > > > > > > > life? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Aug 1, 1:41 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > According to the theory of reincarnation a > person > > > takes > > > > > > > birth as a > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > consequence of his actions in his past life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Slip Disc < > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7Ge7Sogrk > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป
