Supreme peace is wonderful but you are posting on a great deal of assumption. What occurs in one life does not necessarily have to carry over into another life; assuming that there is an afterlife; no one knows for sure and no one has ever come back with any certainty or proof. If there is an afterlife then one may experience pain and suffering in one life and experience a life of luxury and grandeur in the next; a life filled with wealth and security. There are people who are living wonderful lives at the same time others are living horrible lives of suffering; why this is we cannot explain; it just is. Attaining a oneness with God is based on the assumption that there is a God which has been nothing more than theory and conjecture throughout the history of mankind. No God has ever appeared to establish existence and so the notion remains speculation and only exists in the minds of people who want to believe in it. I merely present the idea that afterlife is highly possible given the elements that contribute to the possibility. I wouldn't venture to guess what quality of life one would have during multiple experiences of existence. I prefer to think that I have lived before and will live again and have accumulated life experiences that contribute to my persona. Many people are born with extraordinary abilities while others are born with absolutely nothing aside from minimal brain capacity so I wonder how else can we explain that phenomena other than previous life experience.
On Aug 8, 9:37 am, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > Don't you think it is better to attain supreme peace than to have > alternating consciousness of sorrow and elation. Don't you think a > person suffering greatly from acute pain of an irreversible disease > should be given mercy killing? Is not one life of uncertainties > enough for us than to cherish innumerable lifes? Yogis of yore made > great efforts to escape the cycle of birth and death , desiring > Moksha. The ultimate object was to attain oneness with God , whatever > that state of being might be , I cannot say as I have never > experienced it. But whatever that might be , I would still like to > attain to it. > > On Aug 8, 6:03 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I guess that is the case; all afterlife must be happening somewhere if > > not here. It all makes more sense to me in this day and age on > > account of cosmic knowledge, parallel universe and string theories. > > I'm more convinced now of afterlife than ever just based on the > > intensity of my lucid dreams. One could easily die in sleep and > > remain within an occurring dream while the rest of the world views the > > cadaver as simply being dead and gone. The dead dreamer no longer has > > the physical capacity to return to the presence of the viewers at the > > funeral and so either remains in the dream or drifts about for an > > opportunity to incarnate. > > > On Aug 7, 4:12 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > if you look at the thought as the origin of rebirth coming from the plant > > > life.. it would seem logical that that life would have to go some where,, > > > and considering the amount of natural hallucinogen out there,, a > > > hallucination could easily be called a ghost.. > > > all of which would contribute to the idea of rebirth.. > > > Allan > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I love the Greek myths but I wouldn't discount the appearance of > > > > apparitions more commonly known as ghosts as pointing toward the idea > > > > of afterlife. Appearances may have been more common in primitive > > > > times but also emphasis should be placed on the importance of the > > > > dream realm and what it represented to the ancients. One may have > > > > dreamed of encounters with deceased relatives and then reported to > > > > others that they are living in some afterlife world. There wasn't any > > > > Freudian psycho analysis to explain otherwise at the time. > > > > > On Aug 5, 5:55 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Also a ritual- the Vikings set afire at sea, Inquisition and Salem > > > > > witch punishments, the Holocaust, Indian wives throwing themselves on > > > > > a bonfire when their husband dies, etc. But I was also thinking today > > > > > that the whole notion of of an afterlife might have started with > > > > > primitive and ancient plant societies when they noticed the return of > > > > > perennial plants. And certain plants and trees figure in the Greek > > > > > myths as well. > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:27 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Personally I like the bonfire idea going up in flames on top of a > > > > mountain > > > > > > releasing the soul and returning the ashes to the creators earth.. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:06 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Evelyn Waugh- "The Loved One" and "The American Way of > > > > Death"?-Jessica > > > > > > > Mitford? > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:57 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > One idea was that paradise or an afterlife was invented because > > > > real > > > > > > > > life was hard and filled with suffering- this would appeal to > > > > > > > > the > > > > poor/ > > > > > > > > ignorant in the case of early Christians. As for pharohs and > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > ancient rulers who were buried with life possessions and living > > > > > > > > servants- briefly- they were assumed to deserve immortality. > > > > > > > > Some > > > > have > > > > > > > > a great fear of burial/suffocation so elaborate caskets and > > > > masoleums > > > > > > > > tried to sooth fears. There are glass covered coffins and some > > > > world > > > > > > > > leaders have used them to display their remains. Copper vaults > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > added protection for caskets.//Which brings up the relics of > > > > saints. > > > > > > > > Shouldn't their bodies remain intact? What happens to the dead > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > have few body parts or those buried at sea? Are mummies > > > > rejects?//Read > > > > > > > > a satire on the whole business many years ago- about American > > > > funerals > > > > > > > > and graveyards- maybe from the '60's.//What about the sacrament > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Extreme Unction where all your sins are forgiven just before > > > > > > > > death? > > > > > > > > Timing is everything! > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 1:21 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > RP No disrespect for any belief system, I personally can not > > > > help but > > > > > > > > > wonder what the original idea or concept was and what people > > > > added to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > original thought because it sounded good and/or of the > > > > desire to > > > > > > > appear > > > > > > > > > to be a holy and spiritual person. Just putting out ideas and > > > > expanding > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > them not because they are the truth but because the words > > > > > > > > > sound > > > > good > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > they convinced themselves it is the truth. > > > > > > > > > nothing is either right or wrong but thinking that makes it so > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:55 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A person might have taken many births before this one. > > > > According to > > > > > > > Hindu > > > > > > > > > > mythology the soul has to pass birth in 8.4 million species > > > > before > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > birth in the human species. Also a person might have been > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > many > > > > > > > times as > > > > > > > > > > a human being , what I meant by first life was the very > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > time a > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > took birth. As he had never taken birth before that , then > > > > where were > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > karma as a consequence of which he took birth. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> What I don't get is why he took > > > > > > > > > >> > birth in his first life? RP > > > > > > > > > > >> What do you mean by "take" birth? As in a choosing of or a > > > > life > > > > > > > > > >> assigned? > > > > > > > > > > >> Is there choice in reincarnation? > > > > > > > > > > >> Also, how could it be known if the prior life was the > > > > > > > > > >> "first" > > > > life? > > > > > > > > > > >> On Aug 1, 1:41 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > According to the theory of reincarnation a person takes > > > > birth as a > > > > > > > > > >> > consequence of his actions in his past life. > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Slip Disc < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7Ge7Sogrk > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Does this example seem to give some credence to the > > > > > > > > > >> > > idea > > > > of > > > > > > > > > >> > > reincarnation? > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Where does this Elephant get this ability? > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Are there random elements of soul/spirit floating > > > > > > > > > >> > > about in > > > > the > > > > > > > cosmos? > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Or is this simply a product of a serious trainer animal > > > > > > > relationship? > > > > > > > > > > >> > > What are your thoughts on this? > > > > > > > >http://www.exoticworldgifts.com/Categories.bok?category=Elephant%20Pa > > > > . > > > > > > > > > >> .. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > I don't see too much variety in the compositions other > > > > than the > > > > > > > > > >> > > repetitive elephant pose and the floral arrangements so > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > >> > > wondering. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > > > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ( > > > > > > ) > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
