That the universe originated and is progressing shows that there is a force which is making it happen , and as we conscious beings have evolved it shows that that the force is living and not dead otherwise there would have been oblivion everywhere , which is not the case. You may call this force by any name , Nature , God ,Truth , Reality or Atma. Ultimately it was this force which was there before the universe originated and it will be there when it is disintegrated. So if we consider this force to be above us there is nothing wrong in it. What is the state of being of this force I will not conjecture.
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Supreme peace is wonderful but you are posting on a great deal of > assumption. What occurs in one life does not necessarily have to > carry over into another life; assuming that there is an afterlife; no > one knows for sure and no one has ever come back with any certainty or > proof. If there is an afterlife then one may experience pain and > suffering in one life and experience a life of luxury and grandeur in > the next; a life filled with wealth and security. There are people > who are living wonderful lives at the same time others are living > horrible lives of suffering; why this is we cannot explain; it just > is. Attaining a oneness with God is based on the assumption that > there is a God which has been nothing more than theory and conjecture > throughout the history of mankind. No God has ever appeared to > establish existence and so the notion remains speculation and only > exists in the minds of people who want to believe in it. I merely > present the idea that afterlife is highly possible given the elements > that contribute to the possibility. I wouldn't venture to guess what > quality of life one would have during multiple experiences of > existence. I prefer to think that I have lived before and will live > again and have accumulated life experiences that contribute to my > persona. Many people are born with extraordinary abilities while > others are born with absolutely nothing aside from minimal brain > capacity so I wonder how else can we explain that phenomena other than > previous life experience. > > On Aug 8, 9:37 am, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > Don't you think it is better to attain supreme peace than to have > > alternating consciousness of sorrow and elation. Don't you think a > > person suffering greatly from acute pain of an irreversible disease > > should be given mercy killing? Is not one life of uncertainties > > enough for us than to cherish innumerable lifes? Yogis of yore made > > great efforts to escape the cycle of birth and death , desiring > > Moksha. The ultimate object was to attain oneness with God , whatever > > that state of being might be , I cannot say as I have never > > experienced it. But whatever that might be , I would still like to > > attain to it. > > > > On Aug 8, 6:03 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I guess that is the case; all afterlife must be happening somewhere if > > > not here. It all makes more sense to me in this day and age on > > > account of cosmic knowledge, parallel universe and string theories. > > > I'm more convinced now of afterlife than ever just based on the > > > intensity of my lucid dreams. One could easily die in sleep and > > > remain within an occurring dream while the rest of the world views the > > > cadaver as simply being dead and gone. The dead dreamer no longer has > > > the physical capacity to return to the presence of the viewers at the > > > funeral and so either remains in the dream or drifts about for an > > > opportunity to incarnate. > > > > > On Aug 7, 4:12 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > if you look at the thought as the origin of rebirth coming from the > plant > > > > life.. it would seem logical that that life would have to go some > where,, > > > > and considering the amount of natural hallucinogen out there,, a > > > > hallucination could easily be called a ghost.. > > > > all of which would contribute to the idea of rebirth.. > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I love the Greek myths but I wouldn't discount the appearance of > > > > > apparitions more commonly known as ghosts as pointing toward the > idea > > > > > of afterlife. Appearances may have been more common in primitive > > > > > times but also emphasis should be placed on the importance of the > > > > > dream realm and what it represented to the ancients. One may have > > > > > dreamed of encounters with deceased relatives and then reported to > > > > > others that they are living in some afterlife world. There wasn't > any > > > > > Freudian psycho analysis to explain otherwise at the time. > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 5:55 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Also a ritual- the Vikings set afire at sea, Inquisition and > Salem > > > > > > witch punishments, the Holocaust, Indian wives throwing > themselves on > > > > > > a bonfire when their husband dies, etc. But I was also thinking > today > > > > > > that the whole notion of of an afterlife might have started with > > > > > > primitive and ancient plant societies when they noticed the > return of > > > > > > perennial plants. And certain plants and trees figure in the > Greek > > > > > > myths as well. > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:27 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Personally I like the bonfire idea going up in flames on top > of a > > > > > mountain > > > > > > > releasing the soul and returning the ashes to the creators > earth.. > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:06 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Evelyn Waugh- "The Loved One" and "The American Way of > > > > > Death"?-Jessica > > > > > > > > Mitford? > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:57 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > One idea was that paradise or an afterlife was invented > because > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > life was hard and filled with suffering- this would appeal > to the > > > > > poor/ > > > > > > > > > ignorant in the case of early Christians. As for pharohs > and other > > > > > > > > > ancient rulers who were buried with life possessions and > living > > > > > > > > > servants- briefly- they were assumed to deserve > immortality. Some > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > a great fear of burial/suffocation so elaborate caskets and > > > > > masoleums > > > > > > > > > tried to sooth fears. There are glass covered coffins and > some > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > leaders have used them to display their remains. Copper > vaults are > > > > > > > > > added protection for caskets.//Which brings up the relics > of > > > > > saints. > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't their bodies remain intact? What happens to the > dead who > > > > > > > > > have few body parts or those buried at sea? Are mummies > > > > > rejects?//Read > > > > > > > > > a satire on the whole business many years ago- about > American > > > > > funerals > > > > > > > > > and graveyards- maybe from the '60's.//What about the > sacrament of > > > > > > > > > Extreme Unction where all your sins are forgiven just > before death? > > > > > > > > > Timing is everything! > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 1:21 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > RP No disrespect for any belief system, I personally > can not > > > > > help but > > > > > > > > > > wonder what the original idea or concept was and what > people > > > > > added to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > original thought because it sounded good and/or of > the > > > > > desire to > > > > > > > > appear > > > > > > > > > > to be a holy and spiritual person. Just putting out ideas > and > > > > > expanding > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > them not because they are the truth but because the > words sound > > > > > good > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > they convinced themselves it is the truth. > > > > > > > > > > nothing is either right or wrong but thinking that makes > it so > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:55 AM, RP Singh < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A person might have taken many births before this one. > > > > > According to > > > > > > > > Hindu > > > > > > > > > > > mythology the soul has to pass birth in 8.4 million > species > > > > > before > > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > > birth in the human species. Also a person might have > been born > > > > > many > > > > > > > > times as > > > > > > > > > > > a human being , what I meant by first life was the very > first > > > > > time a > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > took birth. As he had never taken birth before that , > then > > > > > where were > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > karma as a consequence of which he took birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Slip Disc < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> What I don't get is why he took > > > > > > > > > > >> > birth in his first life? RP > > > > > > > > > > > > >> What do you mean by "take" birth? As in a choosing of > or a > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > >> assigned? > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Is there choice in reincarnation? > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Also, how could it be known if the prior life was the > "first" > > > > > life? > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Aug 1, 1:41 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > According to the theory of reincarnation a person > takes > > > > > birth as a > > > > > > > > > > >> > consequence of his actions in his past life. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Slip Disc < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7Ge7Sogrk > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Does this example seem to give some credence to > the idea > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > >> > > reincarnation? > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Where does this Elephant get this ability? > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Are there random elements of soul/spirit floating > about in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > cosmos? > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Or is this simply a product of a serious trainer > animal > > > > > > > > relationship? > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > What are your thoughts on this? > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.exoticworldgifts.com/Categories.bok?category=Elephant%20Pa > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > >> .. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > I don't see too much variety in the compositions > other > > > > > than the > > > > > > > > > > >> > > repetitive elephant pose and the floral > arrangements so > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > >> > > wondering. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > > > > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted > text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > Be Paranoid. > > > > God is always building a better idiot!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - >
