Uh huh, okay, thanks!
On Aug 10, 12:41 pm, Jean Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > Xemphobia The violence of Fear and Hate: Jammie Bordeau- > Nyamnjyah,Francis B. insiders and outsiders: Citizenship And > Xenophobia in Contempory Southern Africa,London,England > Zed Books 2006. Ouelletle Jeanning, And A Day without Immigiants: Ralling > Behind America's New Commers. > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Jean Briscoe > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > When foreigner's come from other countries's and your nation has big > > changes in this area their are many concerns and fear's. > > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Jean Briscoe > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> Do you think it is right and limited. That is The neighborhood belongs to > >> the culture that it occupies? It is somewhat new to me of this outlook. I > >> geuss a person without a land and a culture is left out. No country,no > >> place. And could this cause fear? > > >> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> That is exactly what the Cultural Evolution thread is basically all > >>> about; people finding groups of like thinkers without regard for good > >>> or bad, positive or negative. It's the old adage Birds of a feather > >>> flock together. > >>> It is also the basis of much of gruff's xenophobia in that the more > >>> groups increasing in number that are incongruous with others the more > >>> potential there is for fear which can lead to violence. The > >>> neighborhood belongs to the culture that occupies it. > > >>> On Aug 9, 10:05 am, Jean Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > I enjoyed what you said and it is well put. Sometimes a verification > >>> let > >>> > some know that others think somewhat the same way. > > >>> > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > > ..............how do we confront a level of fear that > >>> > > allows us to get past it and function more fully without stripping > >>> > > away that portion which keeps us from being vanquished by the world? > > >>> > > As individual units we can adjust our sense of fear accordingly and > >>> > > within the parameters of our environmental circumstance but as a > >>> > > global society I don't see anything changing for the better or for > >>> the > >>> > > worse. Global fears would have to be replaced with global trusts in > >>> > > order to circumvent what seems to have been the mode de jeur for > >>> > > centuries. Private gated communities have established a secluded > >>> > > sense of trust within the confines of the community but the presence > >>> > > of the gates themselves indicate the distrust of all that lies beyond > >>> > > the perimeter. Fear has grown over the past several years with the > >>> > > ever growing terrorist threat. Neighbors are increasingly looking at > >>> > > others around them as potential threats as homeland security pushes > >>> to > >>> > > expose homegrown terror. The economic landslide, post the subprime > >>> > > mortgage scenario, is a wake up call for many who never thought they > >>> > > had anything to fear; losing home, job and a good life is a reality. > >>> > > Meanwhile millions of illegal immigrants continue to leach off the > >>> > > public coffers further depleting the resources that once sustained > >>> the > >>> > > country. George Bernard Shaw “You see things; and you say, ‘Why?’ > >>> > > But I dream things that never were; and I say, “Why not?". This in > >>> > > all reality can change things but I'm not sure that people are still > >>> > > capable of dreaming and bringing those dreams to fruition. We have > >>> > > become sullen and morose and complacently waiting for things to > >>> change > >>> > > on their own or trusting others to make the changes. Soap box > >>> > > politicians are still leading us down the path of delusion without > >>> any > >>> > > real change and we are stuck in a quagmire of stagnation politics. > >>> > > The whole of it needs revamping as is the case with any revolution. > >>> > > Governments wield the power to make real change but have only > >>> indulged > >>> > > those in the world of high finance and capitalist gain; I think > >>> > > capitalism breeds fear. From Pat in another thread: ".........there's > >>> > > a moral wealth > >>> > > that is completely ignored by the ruthlessness of applied capitalism. > >>> > > Capitalism divides society into 2 parts: the rich and the poor. > >>> > > Socialism, to some extent, tries to redress the balance and bring > >>> that > >>> > > excess 'wealth' back into a useful form for society's poor. If > >>> > > America doesn't try to protect the well-being of its own poor, then > >>> > > they will be forced to defend themselves against an enemy government, > >>> > > and, the Declaration of Independence, whilst NOT the Constitution, > >>> > > still lays down a framework granting justification for such a self- > >>> > > defence if presented with "...a long chain of abuses and usurpations > >>> > > pursuing, invariably, the same object, evinces a design to reduce > >>> them > >>> > > under absolute despotism...". > >>> > > As a proponent of capitalism I don't think you would agree with the > >>> > > premise or the outcome but for sure it is or should be considered as > >>> > > one element underlying the climate of global fear. > > >>> > > On Aug 8, 2:01 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > > > Sure, times are tough for the average person but that’s no reason > >>> to > >>> > > > get nasty about it. I know it’s legend that people used to be much > >>> > > > nicer to each other but I’ve no idea if that legend has any > >>> validity > >>> > > > or basis in reality. > > >>> > > > I can believe that rural folks were much nicer to each other and > >>> more > >>> > > > concerned with each others welfare. But the country was much > >>> bigger > >>> > > > and our population much smaller back then. That lack of crowding > >>> led > >>> > > > to conditions that made people behave better toward each other > >>> (with > >>> > > > some exceptions as we shall see.) > > >>> > > > Back in that day, people in a rural community also had the same > >>> > > > background, heritage, religion and values, which lent to a common > >>> > > > concern for each other. Today most communities, even some of the > >>> more > >>> > > > rural ones, are a homogeneous mix of race, culture, religion and > >>> > > > values, all of which tend to make people a bit more wary of each > >>> > > > other. Or at best it makes them distant from oneself. Makes one > >>> more > >>> > > > stand-offish. > > >>> > > > If there is one significant characteristic all species seem to > >>> share > >>> > > > it is a general xenophobia – a fear of anything unknown or new, a > >>> fear > >>> > > > of strangers. Many blame it on being driven from heaven but > >>> > > > regardless it’s source, as we have with so many of nature’s > >>> built-in > >>> > > > protections, our species has taken xenophobia to heretofore > >>> undreamed > >>> > > > levels. We even create things to fear – vampires, ghouls and such. > >>> > > > And there are far too many of us even to afraid to look themselves > >>> in > >>> > > > the eye in a mirror. It took me till I was in my late thirties > >>> and > >>> > > > had some therapy under my belt to accomplish that little feat. > > >>> > > > I can believe some of the legend of nice people because I can > >>> recall > >>> > > > times when I would be overcome with an urge to perform some > >>> > > > spontaneous act of kindness and the response was generally thanks > >>> and > >>> > > > gratitude or at the very least a smile and a nod. Today when I try > >>> a > >>> > > > gratuitous kindness I am too often looked at with suspicion – as > >>> > > > though I had some hidden agenda. I don’t do it very often anymore. > >>> > > > I’m no hero. > > >>> > > > Our politics these days seems to run more on hate than I can > >>> remember > >>> > > > in seventy years of the stuff even though I only paid attention for > >>> > > > the last two decades. Sure, politics is the arena most likely to > >>> > > > evoke emotional reactions but anymore it seems like those emotions > >>> > > > boil over into a darker place in us. One that removes all trace of > >>> > > > concern for each other and replaces it with aggression, fear, lies > >>> and > >>> > > > hatred. > > >>> > > > Yet these facets of human behavior are not too hard to understand. > >>> > > > After all we’ve come from a very frightening past and certainly > >>> still > >>> > > > carry a lot of those fears with us. But there is a new dimension > >>> to > >>> > > > our xenophobia, a new level we’ve taken it to that is beyond > >>> anything > >>> > > > rationally acceptable as a survival instinct. In spite of commonly > >>> > > > available knowledge we fear differences in each other that we know > >>> (or > >>> > > > should know) are false. > > >>> > > > But to borrow a Gumpism, fear is as fear does and most frequently > >>> it > >>> > > > is fear itself which drives itself to higher levels of intensity. > >>> > > > Remember Roosevelt’s admonishment? “We have nothing to fear but > >>> fear > >>> > > > itself.” I don’t think many realized the eternalness of that > >>> truth. > > >>> > > > Lies are virtually always rooted in fear which accounts for the > >>> > > > overwhelming number of them being floated about these days. Fear > >>> of > >>> > > > not appearing a certain way, fear of not being what we think we > >>> should > >>> > > > be, fear of accepting responsibility, fear of the consequences of > >>> both > >>> > > > acting and inaction. Fear drives most of Madison Avenue’s best > >>> > > > creations: Fear that you smell, that you don’t look good, that your > >>> > > > teeth are not white enough, that your skin’s not smooth and blemish > >>> > > > free, that your medical condition needs a cover up, that you need > >>> the > >>> > > > newer drug, that your children are too fat, too thin, too > >>> disturbed, > >>> > > > too talkative, too … anything. Superficial fears all. > > >>> > > > A new aspect to commercials I’ve noticed is the disdain they show > >>> for > >>> > > > civil behavior: the shopper who leaves her no longer wanted pain > > ... > > read more »
