Lee you are free to greet me in any manner as I believe in one God. It is very difficult to understand the mechanism behind the ' will ' You will at least accede that we are sometimes in complete control or I may say sway of our emotions. Sometimes anger binds us in such a way that we seem to be acting helplessly. But our emotions are not the only binding forces , our understanding and imagination also bind us. When the environment acts on us there is neurological activity in the brain which precedes the ' will ' . When we act and react there is neurological activity in the brain which precedes , emotion , thought and action. psychotics' emotions and thought processes are bizarre , yet under the treatment with medicines these emotions cool down and thought processes become normal. So is it not normal to say that emotions and actions are caused by neurological activity in the brain. And the will no matter how free is tied down by the brain. Our biological instincts sends signals to the brain and the brain acts accordingly but our understanding also plays a part as it stops wrong actions.The ' will ' which appears free is actually under the control of the organism which is physical in nature.
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:35 AM, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote: > RP Singh, > > Would it be appropriate to give you a big Sat Sri Akaal! I wonder? > > It is fitting that you mention anger, I have long been in the thrall > of such emotion, but I have stroven hard over my life to bring this > under control, and lo it is, I very rarely get angery nowadays. So am > I then controling this nature inside, yes I belive so. > > By what mechanisim do I do so, if not freedom of choice? > > This is an old discusion with me and Pat, it defines logic to me, > given what I belive about God. That is we have the God granted > freedom of choice to reach for God or not, otherwise we are merely > machines? No I do not believe this is the case. > > > > On 13 Aug, 17:38, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > To all intents and purposes we have free will but we do freely what is > the > > will of God. Now Lee , when you were young didn't you ever feel a strong > > emotion for a girl. That is how Nature binds you from inside by your own > > nature , sometime you are out of control with anger , isn't that nature > > binding you from inside you. Someone insults you , that is Nature acting > > from outside you and you give a fitting reply , that is bondage from > inside. > > As we are the agents of Nature we feel free in ourselves and to others. > > The ties that bind us are very subtle and not easily discernible to us , > we > > have to go really into depth to understand our bondage. > > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:14 AM, [email protected] < > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Ohh Pat as always there is much to say on this post. > > > > > I'll start as is my want backwards if I may. > > > > > Why is a God that is not omnipotent not worthy of being worshipped? > > > My father is not what i would call a good man by any stretch of the > > > imagination, and it is true to say that if I was not his son I would > > > not be a friend to the man. I love him though, he commands my love he > > > is after all one of the people responsible for my being. > > > > > God is omnipotent, yes Ibelive that of God. So a God that is > > > ominpotent has not the power to grant certian speices God has created > > > the freedom of choice, to choose to seek God or not? That makes no > > > sense. An all powerfull God can of course do anything. > > > > > There is no contradiction in the idea of an all powefull God not > > > useing all of Gods powers. I could kill another man, I have the > > > knowledge and the power to do that, yet I choose not to. > > > > > There is then no logical discrepancy in having the power to do > > > anything and choosing not to do certian things. > > > > > The contradiction I see in the words that admitadly I have placed on > > > your tounge is simple. > > > > > In essance RP's post says theer is no free will, this is then what I > > > deny, I say that that the opposite is true. Yet you manitan that there > > > is no I, that we all are playing the part that god has given us. If > > > You and RP play the part of saying there is no free will and attribute > > > that to God saying there is no free will, then you cannot possibly > > > claim that my stance 'there is free will' is also what God is saying > > > via me. Contradiction. > > > > > Who is it that afirms free will, my Self, or God through me? > > > Who is it that denies free will, your Self or God through you? > > > > > On 13 Aug, 14:22, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 13 Aug, 14:13, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > And I would of course deny all of this, yet if I do Pat would have > it > > > > > that in fact I deny nowt and that God within is doing the denying, > > > > > however I can see contradiction here. > > > > > > Just name the contradictions, then. You've nailed my response and my > > > > reasons for it. Is it just that you find it distasteful and demand > > > > that you have SOME power even in the face of Omnipotence? I find > > > > contradictions between 'free will' and Omnipotence. That is, God > > > > CAN'T be Omnipotent, if people can act freely and, in essence, act > > > > against His Will. If you can argue for Omnipotence and Free Will > > > > without dancing around that conundrum, I'm all ears. Otherwise, you > > > > end up having your free will but, in having it, you no longer have a > > > > God that is omnipotent and, therefore, not worthy of worship. Whilst > > > > I maintain an Omnipotent being and only have to submit to that which > > > > MUST have complete power anyway. And I can find NO contradictions in > > > > that. But, I'm all ears with respect to hearing an argument for both > > > > having an omnipotent God and people retaining free will. That is, > > > > I'll listen, but I've already outed the inherent contradiction in > > > > that, but I'm willing to listen to arguments that MAY discover a way > > > > around it. Lead on, MacDuff.... ;-) > > > > > > > On 13 Aug, 14:02, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It's just as likely that you are controlled by your parents and > > > > > > thereafter the State. > > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 11:47 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I am this organism and was born, will live and die. Whatever I > > > think , > > > > > > > feel and do is controlled by Nature , within me , and outside > me. I > > > > > > > feel free because I am part of that Nature.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
