" ... if people can act freely and, in essence, act against His Will."
Why does does it necessarily have to be AGAINST His will ? It might be a limitation of the human mind to conceive, but a man can act all he can out of his free will but NOTHING will ever be against His will i.e. His will includes ALL, the seeming for and the against too ! On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 13 Aug, 14:13, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > And I would of course deny all of this, yet if I do Pat would have it > > that in fact I deny nowt and that God within is doing the denying, > > however I can see contradiction here. > > > > Just name the contradictions, then. You've nailed my response and my > reasons for it. Is it just that you find it distasteful and demand > that you have SOME power even in the face of Omnipotence? I find > contradictions between 'free will' and Omnipotence. That is, God > CAN'T be Omnipotent, if people can act freely and, in essence, act > against His Will. If you can argue for Omnipotence and Free Will > without dancing around that conundrum, I'm all ears. Otherwise, you > end up having your free will but, in having it, you no longer have a > God that is omnipotent and, therefore, not worthy of worship. Whilst > I maintain an Omnipotent being and only have to submit to that which > MUST have complete power anyway. And I can find NO contradictions in > that. But, I'm all ears with respect to hearing an argument for both > having an omnipotent God and people retaining free will. That is, > I'll listen, but I've already outed the inherent contradiction in > that, but I'm willing to listen to arguments that MAY discover a way > around it. Lead on, MacDuff.... ;-) > > > On 13 Aug, 14:02, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's just as likely that you are controlled by your parents and > > > thereafter the State. > > > > > On Aug 12, 11:47 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I am this organism and was born, will live and die. Whatever I think > , > > > > feel and do is controlled by Nature , within me , and outside me. I > > > > feel free because I am part of that Nature.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- ASHOK TEWARI
