God is making you will as you do and I am not being presumptuous in talking for God or what he does. This is an open discussion forum for members of this group and I am merely expressing my viewpoint and if that brings a smile to your face I am glad that you have something to be happy about.
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 12:06 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]>wrote: > RP, when people speak for God, on behalf of God, as to what He is and what > He is not, what He has and what He has not, it only draws my smile ! And > sometimes, with extreme forms of the same presumptuousness, it draws my ire. > > > A better place to start might be to consider : God has NO will, as in what > will means to you and Pat. > > Will is a consequence of emotion filled mind. Is that how you see God to be > ? > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:37 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Vam , we are not parts of God but only his emanations. His will is not >> made up of our wills , His will is not a composite of all , rather it is the >> only will and our wills are just illusions. But as far as this changing >> world is concerned we are free in ourselves and to others. That is why feel >> remorse etc. for our actions and anger at other people's acts. That is why >> everybody is accountable , no one can excuse his actions on the pretext that >> he is bound. Again it is our nature which is binding us from inside and from >> outside also it is nature in the form of the environment , which of course >> include all beings , that binds us. >> >> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:54 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> " ... if people can act freely and, in essence, act against His Will." >>> >>> Why does does it necessarily have to be AGAINST His will ? >>> >>> It might be a limitation of the human mind to conceive, but a man can act >>> all he can out of his free will but NOTHING will ever be against His will >>> i.e. His will includes ALL, the seeming for and the against too ! >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Pat <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13 Aug, 14:13, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > And I would of course deny all of this, yet if I do Pat would have it >>>> > that in fact I deny nowt and that God within is doing the denying, >>>> > however I can see contradiction here. >>>> > >>>> >>>> Just name the contradictions, then. You've nailed my response and my >>>> reasons for it. Is it just that you find it distasteful and demand >>>> that you have SOME power even in the face of Omnipotence? I find >>>> contradictions between 'free will' and Omnipotence. That is, God >>>> CAN'T be Omnipotent, if people can act freely and, in essence, act >>>> against His Will. If you can argue for Omnipotence and Free Will >>>> without dancing around that conundrum, I'm all ears. Otherwise, you >>>> end up having your free will but, in having it, you no longer have a >>>> God that is omnipotent and, therefore, not worthy of worship. Whilst >>>> I maintain an Omnipotent being and only have to submit to that which >>>> MUST have complete power anyway. And I can find NO contradictions in >>>> that. But, I'm all ears with respect to hearing an argument for both >>>> having an omnipotent God and people retaining free will. That is, >>>> I'll listen, but I've already outed the inherent contradiction in >>>> that, but I'm willing to listen to arguments that MAY discover a way >>>> around it. Lead on, MacDuff.... ;-) >>>> >>>> > On 13 Aug, 14:02, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > It's just as likely that you are controlled by your parents and >>>> > > thereafter the State. >>>> > >>>> > > On Aug 12, 11:47 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > > I am this organism and was born, will live and die. Whatever I >>>> think , >>>> > > > feel and do is controlled by Nature , within me , and outside me. >>>> I >>>> > > > feel free because I am part of that Nature.- Hide quoted text - >>>> > >>>> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>> > >>>> > - Show quoted text - >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ASHOK TEWARI >>> >> >> > > > -- > ASHOK TEWARI >
