I think a good place to start is what 'Will' is to you ('' ,) if for
nothing else so that can see where you are coming from,, oddly enough
atheism is an extreme form of beliefs. Does this too draw your ire?
I for one enjoy listen to or rather reading (when I am really lazy I do turn
on the reader,,) about other peoples view of GOD.. I know that I enjoy
sharing it. as for being presumptuous I can not possible know the totality
of a being that in a moment of enlightenment created the entirety of the
universe from within. Pretty awesome enlightenment if you ask me.
Nor can I diminish those that study and understand parts of this being..
Now for these simple reasons I need to understand your meaning for "Will"
Allan
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]> wrote:
> RP, when people speak for God, on behalf of God, as to what He is and what
> He is not, what He has and what He has not, it only draws my smile ! And
> sometimes, with extreme forms of the same presumptuousness, it draws my ire.
>
>
> A better place to start might be to consider : God has NO will, as in what
> will means to you and Pat.
>
> Will is a consequence of emotion filled mind. Is that how you see God to be
> ?
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:37 AM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Vam , we are not parts of God but only his emanations. His will is not
>> made up of our wills , His will is not a composite of all , rather it is the
>> only will and our wills are just illusions. But as far as this changing
>> world is concerned we are free in ourselves and to others. That is why feel
>> remorse etc. for our actions and anger at other people's acts. That is why
>> everybody is accountable , no one can excuse his actions on the pretext that
>> he is bound. Again it is our nature which is binding us from inside and from
>> outside also it is nature in the form of the environment , which of course
>> include all beings , that binds us.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:54 AM, ashok tewari <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> " ... if people can act freely and, in essence, act against His Will."
>>>
>>> Why does does it necessarily have to be AGAINST His will ?
>>>
>>> It might be a limitation of the human mind to conceive, but a man can act
>>> all he can out of his free will but NOTHING will ever be against His will
>>> i.e. His will includes ALL, the seeming for and the against too !
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Pat <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13 Aug, 14:13, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > And I would of course deny all of this, yet if I do Pat would have it
>>>> > that in fact I deny nowt and that God within is doing the denying,
>>>> > however I can see contradiction here.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Just name the contradictions, then. You've nailed my response and my
>>>> reasons for it. Is it just that you find it distasteful and demand
>>>> that you have SOME power even in the face of Omnipotence? I find
>>>> contradictions between 'free will' and Omnipotence. That is, God
>>>> CAN'T be Omnipotent, if people can act freely and, in essence, act
>>>> against His Will. If you can argue for Omnipotence and Free Will
>>>> without dancing around that conundrum, I'm all ears. Otherwise, you
>>>> end up having your free will but, in having it, you no longer have a
>>>> God that is omnipotent and, therefore, not worthy of worship. Whilst
>>>> I maintain an Omnipotent being and only have to submit to that which
>>>> MUST have complete power anyway. And I can find NO contradictions in
>>>> that. But, I'm all ears with respect to hearing an argument for both
>>>> having an omnipotent God and people retaining free will. That is,
>>>> I'll listen, but I've already outed the inherent contradiction in
>>>> that, but I'm willing to listen to arguments that MAY discover a way
>>>> around it. Lead on, MacDuff.... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> > On 13 Aug, 14:02, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > > It's just as likely that you are controlled by your parents and
>>>> > > thereafter the State.
>>>> >
>>>> > > On Aug 12, 11:47 pm, RP <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > > I am this organism and was born, will live and die. Whatever I
>>>> think ,
>>>> > > > feel and do is controlled by Nature , within me , and outside me.
>>>> I
>>>> > > > feel free because I am part of that Nature.- Hide quoted text -
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I_D Allan
Be Paranoid.
God is always building a better idiot!!!
