Gruff, excellent dance around my questions and point! Very artful! But I won’t let you get away with it so easily.
First, to be clear, I agree with you overall in your opinion about the apparent non-validity of such attitudes as hope for salvation from sin etc. So, no need to avoid the reality that there do exist an inordinate number of people who DO hold such beliefs, be they rational (which would be the way of knowledge, which it isn’t) or not. Just because one doesn’t agree with how some group thinks, believes, practices etc., to ignore the FACT that so many people DO exist like that seems to reject that aspect of reality. Or, perhaps I’m missing something here. Is it your claim that if someone doesn’t think/believe the way you do they don’t exist? On Aug 26, 10:56 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > "... On Aug 26, 10:47 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > wrote: ..." > > > “I have to ask: Salvation from what? I believe the only sphere where > > that applies with any reality is in salvation from ourselves. To > > quote my favorite cartoon character and his creator, "We have met the > > enemy and they is us." “ – gruff > > > Gruff…you?...have to ask?...Ha! We know you know what I was talking > > about. > > Than I think you know more than I do. Granted people have been > seeking salvation for a long time but in all the wrong places and for > all the wrong reasons. We can only be our own salvation and I think > we are beginning to see some accomplishments in that area. > > > So, IF for some unknown reason you decide to deny that people look for > > salvation from sin within paths of faith, how do you explain these > > people? Seriously? > > I'm sorry but I'm going to be blunt here. People who seek salvation > "from sin within paths of faith" are misguided by metaphors unless > they .... > > > Further, since you clearly do not wish to accept that people of the > > book as well as people of knowledge are necessary, what is your > > solution for the former group? > > ... can see the truth in the metaphors and parables contained in the > book. I don't know other religions that well but I know the old and > new testament frequently points out that all anyone needs for > salvation is to look within themselves. I've found snips and hints > that the other major religious books say the same thing. But it seems > most people tend to get caught up in the rites and rituals rather than > the realities. > > In summation, which is one of the reasons I like Pogo so much, we have > met the enemy and they are us.
