Molly? On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:26 PM, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]>wrote:
> I cannot help but bring Tolstoy (one of rigsy's favorites) into this > disscussion. In searching for some biblical references I stumbled upon > a manuscript titled; "The Kingdom of Heaven Is Within You; > Christianity Not As A Mystical Religion But As A New Theory of Life". > Ultimately, the church's teachings are contrary to the Bible's and > that of Jesus (don't look so surprised)! Tolstoy does wonderful job of > illustrating this in this two volume manuscript which I am not quite > finished with. A great read for anyone who has the time! > > http://books.google.com/books?id=-yMMAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+kingdom+of+god+is+within+you&source=bl&ots=GbbA1NsJG4&sig=Ty8htpN20C4eWyRNERkGbjE50_4&hl=en&ei=rr7_TIKGOcqs8AaH9eW4Bw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false > > On Dec 6, 9:16 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Dec 3, 1:33 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I've been fascinated always with the Logos - the meaning that passes > > > between us, and this is often thought of when contemplating language > > > and meaning. Interestingly enough, Rudolph Steiner considered Christ > > > to be the incarnation of the Logos, as his message is the movement of > > > meaning (love) between us. Before that, Sophia was the goddess of > > > wisdom, and was the symbol of Logos in the biblical traditions. > > > Sophiology is fascinating. I do believe, as you may know, that the > > > meaning IS spirit, or God, and as you say, Pat, all consciousness is > > > of spirit or God. In that, I am everyone, and my conscious awareness > > > of this would be Christ Consciousness (although current trends may > > > give that phase connotations I would not personally ascribe.) > > > > Yeah, fair enough. I agree with you completely with your last > > statement, including the parenthetical that, in my opinion, isn't > > really parenthetical, but, rather germane to the individual belief. > > As you will recall, the Islamic view of The Logos is based on the > > Qur'an's statement that God said 'Be!' and Mary was pregnant with > > Jesus. So, the Islamic view is that Jesus (The Islamic Prophet Isa) > > is God's word ('Be'!) made flesh and so fulfills the concept of Logos. > > > > > > > > > On Dec 1, 12:10 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 30, 4:02 am, edward mason <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > "When people find it more interesting to study prophecy it is much > easier> than studying how to live life on a day to day basis after all it is > easier > > > > > > to distort and shape into what you want it to say." > > What I find very > interesting in this regard is the fact that the "coded language" of the > prophets is so closely related to the language of dreams, it's hard to find > a line that seperates the two, if there is, indeed, a point of seperation > between them. One thing that I know as a fact, is that during the course of > dreams, one may received more than simply instructions for living. At that > rate, there are directions, standards (moral and legal), warnings, and so on > for daily living found in the prophecies. I also see that the different > prophecies say a lot of the same things, particuliarly, regarding the > destruction and the end, but in different ways; much like re- phrasing a > sentence. This is where the Words of God come alive, and live; they sound > the same no matter where they are written. As we learn, we learn that the > Words of God may not even be in words, but in feeling, still sound the same > as the WORDS. The recognition is always there, as far as I can Tell. > > > > > > > Edward > > > > > > Edward, have you considered that the elements themselves might be the > > > > 'Words of God'? There was a piece I'd written, here, a few months > > > > back that outlines a synchronicity between the parts of speech and > the > > > > periods of the periodic table of elements. I reckon that, when God > > > > speaks, things actually happen, that is, elements interact as God's > > > > sentences are voiced (for lack of a better term or analogy) and > > > > continually create the unfolding world around us. Here's that piece, > > > > again, so you can read it. Let me know what you think!! > > > > > > This was spawned by a discussion of 'the Pen' and, as I knew how that > > > > concept related to the very first revelation of the Qur'an, I started > > > > my response by outlining that; but, then, I got into the actual link > > > > between the parts of speech and the periodic table. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > I thought that, since the concept of ‘The Pen’ had been discussed, > > > > that I might take this opportunity to mention a couple of things. > > > > Firstly, the concept of ‘The Pen’ and how it relates to ‘The Word of > > > > God’ might be obvious to some but not others. It was a concept that > > > > was revealed in the very first Revelation to the Prophet Mohammed > > > > (pbuh). > > > > The first 5 lines of Surah 96 (Al Alaq [the Clot]) were the very > > > > first lines revealed and here they are: > > > > > > 96:1 Read! In the name of your Lord and Cherisher, who created > > > > Iqra! Bismi rabbika-lladhi khalaq > > > > > > 96:2 Created man from a clot of congealed blood. > > > > Khalaq-al-insana min alaq > > > > > > 96:3 Read! And your Lord is Most Bountiful > > > > Iqra! Wa Rabbuka-al-Akram > > > > > > 96:4 He who taught by the Pen > > > > Alladhi allama bil-qalam > > > > > > 96:5 Taught man that which he knew not. > > > > Allam al insana ma lam ya lam. > > > > > > If you read the transliterated Arabic above, you can get a feel > > > > for the rhythm and the rhyme that simply doesn’t come across in the > > > > translation. The entire Qur’an of 6,616 verses is like that. That’s > > > > why it was easy to learn for native Arabic speakers, who were used to > > > > oral traditions and story-telling. Also, the word Qur’an means > > > > ‘recital’, as it was intended to be spoken, as it was, originally, > > > > revealed to a man, The Prophet Mohammed (pbuh), who was illiterate. > > > > And no one has been able since, to create any poetry like it—not in > > > > rhythm, rhyme and depth of meaning. > > > > It dawned on me, over the weekend, that there is another analogy > > > > between ‘The Pen’, ‘The Word of God’, language and matter itself. It > > > > has been a part of Jewish, Christian and Islamic doctrine that God > > > > created the universe via His ‘Word’. But what, exactly, IS His Word? > > > > Let’s look at language and see how it relates to matter. I > think > > > > sentences act like molecules. Each one has a particular purpose, > > > > structure and quality. Yet they are made of words. That makes words > > > > akin to atoms. But atoms are further divided into the sub-atomic > > > > particles of hadrons and leptons like words are comprised of letters > > > > which are either consonants or vowels. Yet even letters can be > viewed > > > > as being made of lines, either straight or curved. Here is an > > > > allusion to String Theory and the concept of closed and open strings. > > > > Also, atoms (words) fall into 8 periods in the Periodic Table of > > > > Elements. These are, in a way, akin to the 8 parts of speech: nouns, > > > > verbs, pronouns, adjectives, adverbs, conjunctions, prepositions and > > > > interjections. Yet some elements fall into transitional groups. > > > > Theses would be akin to the concepts of participles and gerunds. A > > > > participle is a verb-like word that acts like an adjective, e.g., the > > > > word ‘sinking’ in the sentence: “Every time I see the film ‘Titanic’, > > > > I get a certain sinking feeling. The word ‘sinking’, although it is > a > > > > verb, acts as an adjective to describe the word ‘feeling’ and is, > > > > technically, a participle. The word ‘feeling’ in that sentence, > > > > although it is a verb, acts like a noun and is, technically, a > > > > gerund. These are transitional parts of speech where one type of > word > > > > acts as a different part of speech than it may appear. > > > > So, let’s map out the parts of speech to the Periodic Table > based > > > > on Semitic language. Firstly, it’s easy to see that interjections > > > > stand alone and do not combine with other parts of speech; therefore, > > > > the interjection is Period 8 (The Inert or Noble gases). All Semitic > > > > languages have their root words as verbs. Verbs are conjugated, have > > > > tenses, number and person. They are the most configurable and seem > > > > the most likely to sit at Period 1, as the Period 1 atoms combine > with > > > > other atoms the most. Period 2, then, would seem to be nouns. In > > > > Semitic languages, nouns are formed from their root verb stems > because > > > > every action implies an actor. Also, after Period 2 are the > > > > Transitional Elements. These are the verb forms that act as either > > > > nouns (gerunds) or adjectives (participles). Following that logic, > at > > > > the other end of the Transitional Elements is Period 3, which must be > > > > the adjectives. Now, we have to go back to the other end of the > > > > table. Pronouns stand for specific nouns, that is, they each have a > > > > single antecedent, a noun upon which they depend. This seems akin to > > > > the Period 7 Halogen group as they can only combine with one other > > > > atom. Period 6 has two open places for connection with ‘others’ and > > > > so seems to fit in well with the concept of a conjunction, which > links > > > > two ‘other’ things together. The Period 5 group has three open > places > > > > for connection and seems a best fit for the concept of the > preposition > > > > which can relate one object to another either directly or indirectly > > > > or both. That leaves Period 4 as the adverbs. And each period is > > > > covered and directly corresponds to a part of speech. If you think > > > > I’ve left out the ‘article’, then think again. The Lanthanide group > > > > is most akin to the ‘definite article’, as they are all (well, with > > > > the single exception of Promethium) non-radioactive and are stable > > > > elements. This leaves the Actinide group to be representative of the > > > > ‘indefinite article’ as they are all radio-active and unstable and, > in > > > > that respect, indefinite, because they are unstable. And now, all > > > > parts of speech are covered by their corresponding aspect of the > > > > Periodic Table of Elements. > > > > It is my hypothesis that God creates through these words or > > > > elements and it is on that basis that the concept of ‘The Pen’ > relates > > > > to how God creates. This completes the examples of how God’s > creative > > > > Word can be > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - >
