Of course I am reading a translation, It is people reading thing into words are not really there. When you are looking into spirituality you are looking for clarity not confusion. It seems to me people read into what is written just what they want to hear. My self I prefer to read what is said not what people want it to say. So far I have seen little of Isaiah but maybe I am reading the wrong section. Allan
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Nov 25, 6:03 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Pat I have not finished reading quran, I see to much that was not > written > > by God or Allah but the direct influence of man.. > > But believe what you want to believe.. > > Allan > > > > I assume, then, that you're reading a translation. The whole poetic > aspect of it along with double/triple entendres get completely lost. > But, of course, that doesn't detract from my statement that the very > beginning of the revelation OF the Qur'an matches that prophecy in > Isaiah word-for-word. > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Pat <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > On Nov 16, 9:24 pm, pathfinder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Just like in the days of Noah, shall the days be when the Son of Man > > > > is revealed. Noah's message was strange and inconceivable. Jesus > spoke > > > > of this in Luke 17:26> "And as it was in the days of No'e, so shall > it > > > > be also in the days of the Son of man." The warning is also in the > > > > numbers: 8 souls saved. > > > > Isaiah 29:10> "For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of > > > > deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, > > > > the seers hath he covered. > (11)- And the visioin of all has is > > > > become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men > > > > deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and > he > > > > saith, I cannot: for it is sealed:> (12)- And the book is delivered > to > > > > him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he > saith, > > > > I am not learned.> > > > > > Just as an aside, this Isaiah 29:12 is exactly what happened to the > > > Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). The first word that was revealed to him was > > > "Read!" and his response was "I am not learned". This prophecy was > > > fulfilled word for word and resulted in the Qur'an. > > > > > (13)- Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this > > > > people draw near me with their mouth, and their lips do honour me, > but > > > > have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is > > > > taught by the precept of men:> (14)- Therefore, behold, I will proced > > > > to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a > > > > wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the > > > > understanding of their prudent men shall be > > > > hid." > > > > Now tell me, If the leaders and the prophets have been blinded by > God, > > > > how could one logically expect God to be there passing out sights and > > > > visions? God speaks for himself. We just have to learn to listen and > > > > apply. > > > > On Nov 16, 8:50 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Let us all be damned! If reading this kind of rubbish is > conditional > > > > > to being saved, then I don't want to be ... > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > On 16 Nov., 17:37, "[email protected]" < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Spam spam I call spam! > > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 4:23 pm, edward mason <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Date: Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:12 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word document.doc > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > I've shared Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word > > > > > > > document.doc< > > >https://docs.google.com/document/d/1epTOPsmbeL_wmUUDCeJdwQaM4totpYZjG.. > .> > > > > > > > Click to open: > > > > > > > > > - Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word > > > > > > > document.doc< > > >https://docs.google.com/document/d/1epTOPsmbeL_wmUUDCeJdwQaM4totpYZjG.. > .> > > > > > > > > > LAST DAY PROPHECIES THAT FIT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE PRESENT > DAY > > > > > > > > > “THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS THE SWORD” > > > > > > > > > Revelation 12:17 “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, > and > > > went to > > > > > > > make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the > commandments > > > of God, > > > > > > > and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” > > > > > > > > > Revelation 19:10 “And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he > > > said unto > > > > > > > me,’ see thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy > > > brothren > > > > > > > that have > > > > > > > the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus > is > > > the > > > > > > > spirit of Prophecy.” > > > > > > > > > So then, it should be noteworthy that there are differences > > > between the > > > > > > > ‘Testimony of Jesus the Christ’, and the testimony of another > that > > > ‘Jesus is > > > > > > > the Christ’. For there are words in some of Jesus’ sayings that > > > would > > > > > > > indicate that there will be those in the last days, though > being > > > able to > > > > > > > testify that Jesus is the Christ, will be shut out of the > kingdom > > > of Heaven. > > > > > > > > > Luke 13:26 “Then shall ye begin to say, ‘We have eaten and > drunk in > > > thy > > > > > > > presence, and thou hast taught in our streets’.” > > > > > > > > > Luke 13:27 “ But he shall say, ’I tell you, I know not whence > ye > > > are; depart > > > > > > > from me, all ye workers of iniquity’. “ > > > > > > > > > Luke 6:46 “ And why call ye me, Lord, and do not the things > which > > > I say?” > > > > > > > > > A testimony is the witnessing one gives from his collection > of > > > evidence > > > > > > > and experiences. What man testify to is one thing: that Jesus > is > > > the Supreme > > > > > > > Sacrifice, the Savior, the Prince of Peace, and the Repairer of > the > > > Breach, > > > > > > > is one thing; But what Jesus testify to leads to the Salvation > of > > > the Soul, > > > > > > > the Way to God, Eternal Light and Life. As unfortunate as it > may > > > appear at > > > > > > > first, upon hearing Jesus’ testimony for the very first time, > it > > > would be > > > > > > > wise to bear in mind that the whole is God’s plan for > Salvation. We > > > have all > > > > > > > transgressed the Laws of God, and the wages of sin is death. > > > Wherefore, to > > > > > > > be placed under a period of judgment, with an opportunity to > > > repent, have a > > > > > > > change of heart, and then be removed from judgment to Eternal > Life, > > > is truly > > > > > > > the Mercy and Righteousness of God. While to remain ignorant in > the > > > face of > > > > > > > Truth and Word of God makes us guilty in the Blood- shed of all > the > > > Holy > > > > > > > People. > > > > > > > > > But then, that’s my testimony. And who am I, but a sinner, > and > > > another who > > > > > > > have fallen short of the Glory of God? Yet in my search, I > knocked, > > > and some > > > > > > > doors opened up. Now I have the duty to testify; to try to show > > > some things > > > > > > > that I’ve seen behind some of those doors: to describe the > Light I > > > saw at > > > > > > > the end of that long, narrow tunnel. I must share what I hear > and > > > the > > > > > > > understandings of my heart. I bring for my witnesses the words > of > > > God. > > > > > > > > > Man rebelled ever against God. God spoke, “ Repent and return > to > > > me, and > > > > > > > I’ll send you healing, peace, and plenty. Continue to rebel and > > > transgress, > > > > > > > death, the sword, and desolation shall be your reward.” Man > (male > > > and > > > > > > > female) never repented. How is it, then, that man concluded > that > > > God changed > > > > > > > his mind and sent us a savior, when he promised us a sword? I > > > choose to > > > > > > > believe the Testimony of Jesus, above the testimony of man. > Why? > > > Because the > > > > > > > testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy, and the > Prophecies > > > have > > > > > > > history and the present confirming their Truth, even to the > letter. > > > > > > > > > It is evident that where there appear to be gaps in them, > it is > > > due to > > > > > > > our mistakens, misapplications, and grave misinterpretations. > As > > > the > > > > > > > prophecy says; > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 34:16 “ Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read: > no > > > one of > > > > > > > these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it > hath > > > commanded, > > > > > > > and his spirit it hath gathered them.” > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:9 “Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he > make > > > to > > > > > > > understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and > drawn > > > from the > > > > > > > breasts.”... ( Note: Isaiah 7:22> “And it shall come to > pass, > > > for the > > > > > > > abundance of milk that they shall give he shall eat butter: for > > > butter and > > > > > > > honey shall every one eat that is left in the land.” ) > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:10 “ For precept must be on precept, precept upon > > > precept; line > > > > > > > upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:11 “ For with stammering lips and another tongue will > he > > > speak to > > > > > > > this people.” > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 28:12 “ For whom he said, ‘ This is the rest where with > ye > > > may cause > > > > > > > the weary to rest: and this is the refreshing’. “ > > > > > > > > > With these things in mind, let’s consider some of Jesus’ > > > testimony as > > > > > > > written: > > > > > > > > > Mathew 5:17 “ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or > the > > > prophets: > > > > > > > (spirit of Prophecy) > > > > > > > > > I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill (them).” > > > > > > > > > John 5:39 “ Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have > > > eternal > > > > > > > life: and they are which testify of me.” > > > > > > > > > Mathew 10:34 “ Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: > I > > > came not > > > > > > > to send peace, but a sword.” > > > > > > > > > Luke 12:49 “ I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will > I > > > if it be > > > > > > > already kindled?” > > > > > > > > > Now here’s a prophecy which we wrestle with needlessly: > Jesus > > > mentions it > > > > > > > in Mathew 13:9-17. One reason that we have so much trouble with > > > this one is > > > > > > > because we have not heard the Word and we like the comfort > provided > > > by our > > > > > > > own understanding even though the land remain desolate and we > burn > > > in the > > > > > > > fierce anger of the Lord. The other reason is because it is the > > > Will of God > > > > > > > that we remain under judgment until he has executed it in full. > The > > > prophecy > > > > > > > mentioned is: > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 6:9-12 “ And he said, go and tell these people, hear ye > > > indeed, but > > > > > > > understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 6:10 “Make the heart of these people fat, and make their > > > ears heavy, > > > > > > > and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear > with > > > their > > > > > > > ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be > healed. > > > > > > > > > Isaiah 6:11 “Then said I, ‘ > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > -- ( ) I_D Allan Be Paranoid. God is always building a better idiot!!!
