Yes, Pat, I have thought along these lines. But not to the extent that
you have so clearly laid out. Extraordinary, to say the least. And to
the extent that I have contemplated these ideas, it has been my
experiences that even in the use of the elements, the signature of God
is there. Thank you, Pat, for sharing that!
Edward
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 30, 4:02 am, edward mason <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "When people find it more interesting to study prophecy it is much easier>
>> than studying how to live life on a day to day basis after all it is easier
>> > to distort and shape into what you want it to say."
>> >
>> > What I find very
>> > interesting in this regard is the fact that the "coded language" of the
>> > prophets is so closely related to the language of dreams, it's hard to
>> > find a line that seperates the two, if there is, indeed, a point of
>> > seperation between them. One thing that I know as a fact, is that during
>> > the course of dreams, one may received more than simply instructions for
>> > living. At that rate, there are directions, standards (moral and legal),
>> > warnings, and so on for daily living found in the prophecies. I also see
>> > that the different prophecies say a lot of the same things, particuliarly,
>> > regarding the destruction and the end, but in different ways; much like
>> > re- phrasing a sentence. This is where the Words of God come alive, and
>> > live; they sound the same no matter where they are written. As we learn,
>> > we learn that the Words of God may not even be in words, but in feeling,
>> > still sound the same as the WORDS. The recognition is always there, as far
>> > as I can Tell.
>>
>> Edward
>
> Edward, have you considered that the elements themselves might be the
> 'Words of God'? There was a piece I'd written, here, a few months
> back that outlines a synchronicity between the parts of speech and the
> periods of the periodic table of elements. I reckon that, when God
> speaks, things actually happen, that is, elements interact as God's
> sentences are voiced (for lack of a better term or analogy) and
> continually create the unfolding world around us. Here's that piece,
> again, so you can read it. Let me know what you think!!
>
> This was spawned by a discussion of 'the Pen' and, as I knew how that
> concept related to the very first revelation of the Qur'an, I started
> my response by outlining that; but, then, I got into the actual link
> between the parts of speech and the periodic table.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I thought that, since the concept of ‘The Pen’ had been discussed,
> that I might take this opportunity to mention a couple of things.
> Firstly, the concept of ‘The Pen’ and how it relates to ‘The Word of
> God’ might be obvious to some but not others. It was a concept that
> was revealed in the very first Revelation to the Prophet Mohammed
> (pbuh).
> The first 5 lines of Surah 96 (Al Alaq [the Clot]) were the very
> first lines revealed and here they are:
>
> 96:1 Read! In the name of your Lord and Cherisher, who created
> Iqra! Bismi rabbika-lladhi khalaq
>
> 96:2 Created man from a clot of congealed blood.
> Khalaq-al-insana min alaq
>
> 96:3 Read! And your Lord is Most Bountiful
> Iqra! Wa Rabbuka-al-Akram
>
> 96:4 He who taught by the Pen
> Alladhi allama bil-qalam
>
> 96:5 Taught man that which he knew not.
> Allam al insana ma lam ya lam.
>
> If you read the transliterated Arabic above, you can get a feel
> for the rhythm and the rhyme that simply doesn’t come across in the
> translation. The entire Qur’an of 6,616 verses is like that. That’s
> why it was easy to learn for native Arabic speakers, who were used to
> oral traditions and story-telling. Also, the word Qur’an means
> ‘recital’, as it was intended to be spoken, as it was, originally,
> revealed to a man, The Prophet Mohammed (pbuh), who was illiterate.
> And no one has been able since, to create any poetry like it—not in
> rhythm, rhyme and depth of meaning.
> It dawned on me, over the weekend, that there is another analogy
> between ‘The Pen’, ‘The Word of God’, language and matter itself. It
> has been a part of Jewish, Christian and Islamic doctrine that God
> created the universe via His ‘Word’. But what, exactly, IS His Word?
> Let’s look at language and see how it relates to matter. I think
> sentences act like molecules. Each one has a particular purpose,
> structure and quality. Yet they are made of words. That makes words
> akin to atoms. But atoms are further divided into the sub-atomic
> particles of hadrons and leptons like words are comprised of letters
> which are either consonants or vowels. Yet even letters can be viewed
> as being made of lines, either straight or curved. Here is an
> allusion to String Theory and the concept of closed and open strings.
> Also, atoms (words) fall into 8 periods in the Periodic Table of
> Elements. These are, in a way, akin to the 8 parts of speech: nouns,
> verbs, pronouns, adjectives, adverbs, conjunctions, prepositions and
> interjections. Yet some elements fall into transitional groups.
> Theses would be akin to the concepts of participles and gerunds. A
> participle is a verb-like word that acts like an adjective, e.g., the
> word ‘sinking’ in the sentence: “Every time I see the film ‘Titanic’,
> I get a certain sinking feeling. The word ‘sinking’, although it is a
> verb, acts as an adjective to describe the word ‘feeling’ and is,
> technically, a participle. The word ‘feeling’ in that sentence,
> although it is a verb, acts like a noun and is, technically, a
> gerund. These are transitional parts of speech where one type of word
> acts as a different part of speech than it may appear.
> So, let’s map out the parts of speech to the Periodic Table based
> on Semitic language. Firstly, it’s easy to see that interjections
> stand alone and do not combine with other parts of speech; therefore,
> the interjection is Period 8 (The Inert or Noble gases). All Semitic
> languages have their root words as verbs. Verbs are conjugated, have
> tenses, number and person. They are the most configurable and seem
> the most likely to sit at Period 1, as the Period 1 atoms combine with
> other atoms the most. Period 2, then, would seem to be nouns. In
> Semitic languages, nouns are formed from their root verb stems because
> every action implies an actor. Also, after Period 2 are the
> Transitional Elements. These are the verb forms that act as either
> nouns (gerunds) or adjectives (participles). Following that logic, at
> the other end of the Transitional Elements is Period 3, which must be
> the adjectives. Now, we have to go back to the other end of the
> table. Pronouns stand for specific nouns, that is, they each have a
> single antecedent, a noun upon which they depend. This seems akin to
> the Period 7 Halogen group as they can only combine with one other
> atom. Period 6 has two open places for connection with ‘others’ and
> so seems to fit in well with the concept of a conjunction, which links
> two ‘other’ things together. The Period 5 group has three open places
> for connection and seems a best fit for the concept of the preposition
> which can relate one object to another either directly or indirectly
> or both. That leaves Period 4 as the adverbs. And each period is
> covered and directly corresponds to a part of speech. If you think
> I’ve left out the ‘article’, then think again. The Lanthanide group
> is most akin to the ‘definite article’, as they are all (well, with
> the single exception of Promethium) non-radioactive and are stable
> elements. This leaves the Actinide group to be representative of the
> ‘indefinite article’ as they are all radio-active and unstable and, in
> that respect, indefinite, because they are unstable. And now, all
> parts of speech are covered by their corresponding aspect of the
> Periodic Table of Elements.
> It is my hypothesis that God creates through these words or
> elements and it is on that basis that the concept of ‘The Pen’ relates
> to how God creates. This completes the examples of how God’s creative
> Word can be analogous to fermions, that is, the hadrons and leptons
> that comprise atoms/elements.
> Yet there are subtle inferences that are implied. For example,
> the pen and the voice are the forces behind written and spoken
> language. And, of course, in each case, there must be an author and a
> speaker. These are other forces that act behind the pen and the
> voice. So, there are four forces behind this creative ability that
> are analogous to the four bosonic forces of electro-magnetism,
> gravity, and the weak and strong atomic forces. Of all of these, the
> analogy of ‘The Pen’ to the electro-magnetic force is the most obvious
> because a pen is useless without ink. So, as the ink goes with the
> pen, the electric and magnetic forces are always found together. The
> voice, then, must be most analogous to gravity, as it is unseen but
> moves us in ways unimaginable. This leaves the weak and strong forces
> being analogous to the author (weak) and the speaker (strong). I
> believe that the spoken word is more powerful than the written word
> simply because one must learn to read in order for the written word to
> be understood, whereas hearing is all that is required for the spoken
> word to be comprehended. Put another way, an illiterate individual
> can be moved by the spoken word but not by the written. Also, like
> the strong atomic force, the spoken word is only heard by those who
> can hear it (ignoring, of course, recordings OF spoken words, which
> have made, only in recent years, the spoken word reach farther);
> whereas the written word, like the weak atomic force, can stretch over
> longer distances across both space and time.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:07 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > DW of course there are similarities.. religious belief influence
>> > religious
>> > beliefs both Judaism and Jesus had a great deal of influence on Islam.
>>
>> > When people find it more interesting to study prophecy it is much easier
>> > than studying how to live life on a day to day basis after all it is easier
>> > to distort and shape into what you want it to say. Fortunately prophecy has
>> > little to do with day to day living and a whole lot to do with pointing
>> > fingers. To me threats and pointing fingers has little or nothing to do
>> > with
>> > spirituality. I also think that the excessive use ff prophecy is what
>> > drives more people from the real good and value in beliefs.
>>
>> > The great Chinese Philosopher Confucius one said "To be in the presents of
>> > one's God is to be in heaven."
>> > Allan
>>
>> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:47 PM, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> That is what is so interesting for me, Allan, that it's
>> >> interpretations are are so similar and what can be read can be so very
>> >> different. When I look at the interpretation that Edward provides it
>> >> is vastly different from what I read from it and what interpretations
>> >> I have heard. Of course, the bit that Pat provides I have heard before
>> >> and in comparing the speech patterns and writing styles there can be
>> >> some sense of order and relationship between religions. The two
>> >> religions (Judaism and Islam) being so closely related, this should
>> >> not come as a surprise! The common ground it provides is,
>> >> unfortunately, often viewed as religious difference rather than a
>> >> foundation for building good relations. Taking the book of Isaiah as
>> >> the perfect example, that is.
>>
>> >> On Nov 28, 7:06 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> > Edward that goes to prove people will read what they want to in what
>> >> > they
>> >> > read. I reread Isaiah just to recall it.. It has not changed since i
>> >> > first
>> >> > read it,, just a book of prophcy with very little value to me
>> >> > spiritually
>> >> > which leaves me in a difficult problem. I see no value to it in living
>> >> > a
>> >> > daily spiritual life. Day to day living is what a (spiritual) life is
>> >> > all
>> >> > about.
>> >> > Now on the other hand prophecy is great for those who want to appear to
>> >> > be
>> >> > spiritually wise as they can take bits and pieces and twist it to mold
>> >> > say
>> >> > anything they want to say and read into it anything they want to read.
>>
>> >> > With no poisonous snakes on Malta we know that Saul of Tarsus was never
>> >> > bitten by a poison snake therefore he could never have been miraculously
>> >> > healed, making the story a lie.. because it is a lie it leaves all
>> >> > other
>> >> > stories told about him suspect.
>> >> > As for Saul laying the foundation another would build on that is true,,
>> >> > but
>> >> > that does not make the foundation one of truth ,, remember the
>> >> > foundation
>> >> > he laid is built on a lie simple as it may be.. leaving the whole
>> >> > structure
>> >> > suspect.
>>
>> >> > Son's of God is a whole different question,, but all men and women even
>> >> > the
>> >> > bad ones are son's of YHVH including the ones that are considered evil
>> >> > or
>> >> > bad depending how you view it. I have my own point of view on that
>> >> > subject
>> >> > too.
>> >> > Allan
>>
>> >> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:51 AM, pathfinder
>> >> > <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>> >> > > So then the vision of the barbarian was true, Saul was of the same
>> >> > > nature as the snake; ( Prophecy: Just has Moses raised the serpent in
>> >> > > the wilderness, so shall the son of man be raised in the last days.
>> >> > > But the healing was for those who had been bitten by sepents). Perhaps
>> >> > > the miracle asspect was God making him the blind servant. Remember
>> >> > > Paul said that he laid the foundation, and another would build
>> >> > > thereon. Paul laid the foundation that Jesus was a savior for the
>> >> > > world, while Jesus said that he came to bring the sword. Paul said
>> >> > > that he was blinded along his path, and received his sight after he
>> >> > > agreed to do what Jesus had told him to do in that meeeting. Now
>> >> > > history shows that the foundation that Paul laid was the one that
>> >> > > Jesus said would be the Son's ( For as many that do the will of YHVH
>> >> > > are the Son's of YHVH ), whose inheritance was taken after they had
>> >> > > killed him. And ofcourse, Isaiah talked about the blind servant,
>> >> > > tampering with the laws of God.
>> >> > > I am working on the
>> >> > > writing.
>> >> > > Edward
>> >> > > On Nov 23, 11:49 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> > > > Edward Saul's the validity of Saul of Taurus teachings are
>> >> > > > predicated by
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > > miracle healing of Saul by God, making him a teacher chosen by God,
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > problem the lies simply in the fact there are no poisonous snakes on
>> >> > > Malta
>> >> > > > which really creates a problem with the validity of Saul's teachings
>> >> > > > especially when you have lie in the very foundation
>> >> > > > Have fun figuring that one out.. how do you erase the deciet?
>> >> > > > Allan
>>
>> >> > > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:58 PM, pathfinder
>> >> > > > <[email protected]
>> >> > > >wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > > What lead you to think that I can type?
>> >> > > > > Lazzy?
>> >> > > > > Paul (Saul; Centurian)>...Imagine living in an environment where
>> >> > > > > certain citizens are respected as gods, in a very real sense.
>> >> > > > > However,
>> >> > > > > The setting is the Age of the Sun god, Ra., Egyptian. ( Solar
>> >> > > > > Cult)...
>> >> > > > > The barbarrians had not evolved from the cult before it, but they
>> >> > > > > had
>> >> > > > > the basic principles. The principles had not changed, only the way
>> >> > > > > they were applied. This means that there were people that could
>> >> > > > > see.
>> >> > > > > Wherefore, the story tells the way the vision was revealed and
>> >> > > > > what
>> >> > > > > was revealed about Paul. The serpent had varied interpretations
>> >> > > > > from
>> >> > > > > both mythologies: from representing wisdom, to the initator, the
>> >> > > > > dragon, death, so on. If one make a biological examination, then
>> >> > > > > take
>> >> > > > > the results to the bigger picture of the prophecies, they will get
>> >> > > > > faster results in that understanding, I think. I love the Hebrew
>> >> > > > > language; the letters of the alphabet make statements before you
>> >> > > > > can
>> >> > > > > even put them together to make a word! I see that the seer was
>> >> > > > > looking
>> >> > > > > at Paul being the venom that would spread over the nations. The
>> >> > > > > seer
>> >> > > > > saw it, but it's not clear whether he understood it The remark
>> >> > > > > about
>> >> > > > > Paul being god could be related to the fact that he was
>> >> > > > > centurian....
>> >> > > > > Wish I knew the language!
>> >> > > > > On Nov 23, 11:18 am, pathfinder <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> > > > > > I'm looking at it.
>>
>> >> > > > > > On Nov 22, 11:35 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > > > > You are funny Edward, I wonder if you know what is in your own
>> >> > > heart
>> >> > > > > much
>> >> > > > > > > less what is in th heart of others. As for standards there
>> >> > > > > > > are
>> >> > > many
>> >> > > > > > > standards, each person is their own judge. from your writings
>> >> > > > > > > you
>> >> > > claim
>> >> > > > > to
>> >> > > > > > > have the standards of christian dogma and doctrine which you
>> >> > > > > > > want
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > > > shove
>> >> > > > > > > off on everyone else.
>> >> > > > > > > Edward Edward Edward if you are dealing with anyone you need
>> >> > > > > > > to
>> >> > > have
>> >> > > > > your
>> >> > > > > > > reservations tailored by caution and accuracy. You will find
>> >> > > > > > > we
>> >> > > tend
>> >> > > > > not to
>> >> > > > > > > attack people around here but rather ideas and concepts: and
>> >> > > > > > > all
>> >> > > ideas
>> >> > > > > and
>> >> > > > > > > concepts are free game if you are hung up on one be warned
>> >> > > > > > > your
>> >> > > > > feelings
>> >> > > > > > > will be hurt simple because you take things to personally.
>>
>> >> > > > > > > assessment? that one is easy read your very first document
>> >> > > > > > > that you
>> >> > > > > > > presented to this group.
>> >> > > > > > > Testimony of Jesus Christ[2]--word document.doc
>> >> > > > > > > I am to lazy to retype it. this is very typical of
>> >> > > > > > > funnymentalist
>> >> > > > > thinking.
>> >> > > > > > > or what every you want to call them, this is according to you
>> >> > > > > > > your
>> >> > > > > great
>> >> > > > > > > document of enlightenment. and according to them they are all
>> >> > > > > > > on
>>
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