Pat, you just filled the void between religion and science!!!
Congratulations!  Amazing!

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> On Dec 2, 2:54 am, edward mason <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Yes, Pat, I have thought along these lines. But not to the extent that
>> you have so clearly laid out. Extraordinary, to say the least. And to
>> the extent that I have contemplated these ideas, it has been my
>> experiences that even in the use of the elements, the signature of God
>> is there. Thank you, Pat, for sharing that!
>> Edward
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> No worries!!  I just thought it sounded like the kind of thing you
> might appreciate.  Glad you did!!
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> God's signature...Hmmm.  As there's no other Creator, it would have to
> be, in some sense (like a copyright), stamped on everything, including
> things as small as photons (I can't think of 'observable entities'
> that are smaller).  And, as we know from studying the shape, the only
> thing that gives them shape, per se, is their frequency.  The reult,
> though, is that every frequency is, by definition, a signature of
> God.  Every variance in Hertz is a subtle shake of 'The Old Man's
> Hand', as it were.  As there is only one signatory, all signatures are
> His.  Even if they look so different as to, in effect, cancel one
> another out!!  ;-)
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>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> > On Nov 30, 4:02 am, edward mason <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> "When people find it more interesting to study prophecy it is much 
>> >> easier> than studying how to live life on a day to day basis after all it 
>> >> is easier
>> >> > to distort and shape into what you want it to say."                     
>> >> >                                                                         
>> >> >                                                       What I find very 
>> >> > interesting in this regard is the fact that the "coded language" of the 
>> >> > prophets is so closely related to the language of dreams, it's hard to 
>> >> > find a line that seperates the two, if there is, indeed, a point of 
>> >> > seperation between them. One thing that I know as a fact, is that 
>> >> > during the course of dreams, one may received more than simply 
>> >> > instructions for living. At that rate, there are directions, standards 
>> >> > (moral and legal), warnings, and so on for daily living found in the 
>> >> > prophecies. I also see that the different prophecies say a lot of the 
>> >> > same things, particuliarly, regarding the destruction and the end, but 
>> >> > in different ways; much like re- phrasing a sentence. This is where the 
>> >> > Words of God come alive, and live; they sound the same no matter where 
>> >> > they are written. As we learn, we learn that the Words of God may not 
>> >> > even be in words, but in feeling, still sound the same as the WORDS. 
>> >> > The recognition is always there, as far as I can Tell.
>>
>> >> Edward
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>> > Edward, have you considered that the elements themselves might be the
>> > 'Words of God'?  There was a piece I'd written, here, a few months
>> > back that outlines a synchronicity between the parts of speech and the
>> > periods of the periodic table of elements.  I reckon that, when God
>> > speaks, things actually happen, that is, elements interact as God's
>> > sentences are voiced (for lack of a better term or analogy) and
>> > continually create the unfolding world around us.  Here's that piece,
>> > again, so you can read it.  Let me know what you think!!
>>
>> > This was spawned by a discussion of 'the Pen' and, as I knew how that
>> > concept related to the very first revelation of the Qur'an, I started
>> > my response by outlining that; but, then, I got into the actual link
>> > between the parts of speech and the periodic table.
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>> > I thought that, since the concept of ‘The Pen’ had been discussed,
>> > that I might take this opportunity to mention a couple of things.
>> > Firstly, the concept of ‘The Pen’ and how it relates to ‘The Word of
>> > God’ might be obvious to some but not others.  It was a concept that
>> > was revealed in the very first Revelation to the Prophet Mohammed
>> > (pbuh).
>> >     The first 5 lines of Surah 96 (Al Alaq [the Clot]) were the very
>> > first lines revealed and here they are:
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>> > 96:1 Read! In the name of your Lord and Cherisher, who created
>> >        Iqra!  Bismi rabbika-lladhi khalaq
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>> > 96:2 Created man from a clot of congealed blood.
>> >        Khalaq-al-insana min alaq
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>> > 96:3 Read!  And your Lord is Most Bountiful
>> >        Iqra!  Wa Rabbuka-al-Akram
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>> > 96:4 He who taught by the Pen
>> >        Alladhi allama bil-qalam
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>> > 96:5 Taught man that which he knew not.
>> >        Allam al insana ma lam ya lam.
>>
>> >     If you read the transliterated Arabic above, you can get a feel
>> > for the rhythm and the rhyme that simply doesn’t come across in the
>> > translation.  The entire Qur’an of 6,616 verses is like that.  That’s
>> > why it was easy to learn for native Arabic speakers, who were used to
>> > oral traditions and story-telling.  Also, the word Qur’an means
>> > ‘recital’, as it was intended to be spoken, as it was, originally,
>> > revealed to a man, The Prophet Mohammed (pbuh), who was illiterate.
>> > And no one has been able since, to create any poetry like it—not in
>> > rhythm, rhyme and depth of meaning.
>> >     It dawned on me, over the weekend, that there is another analogy
>> > between ‘The Pen’, ‘The Word of God’, language and matter itself.  It
>> > has been a part of Jewish, Christian and Islamic doctrine that God
>> > created the universe via His ‘Word’.  But what, exactly, IS His Word?
>> >     Let’s look at language and see how it relates to matter.  I think
>> > sentences act like molecules.  Each one has a particular purpose,
>> > structure and quality.  Yet they are made of words.  That makes words
>> > akin to atoms.  But atoms are further divided into the sub-atomic
>> > particles of hadrons and leptons like words are comprised of letters
>> > which are either consonants or vowels.  Yet even letters can be viewed
>> > as being made of lines, either straight or curved.  Here is an
>> > allusion to String Theory and the concept of closed and open strings.
>> > Also, atoms (words) fall into 8 periods in the Periodic Table of
>> > Elements.  These are, in a way, akin to the 8 parts of speech: nouns,
>> > verbs, pronouns, adjectives, adverbs, conjunctions, prepositions and
>> > interjections.  Yet some elements fall into transitional groups.
>> > Theses would be akin to the concepts of participles and gerunds.  A
>> > participle is a verb-like word that acts like an adjective, e.g., the
>> > word ‘sinking’ in the sentence: “Every time I see the film ‘Titanic’,
>> > I get a certain sinking feeling.  The word ‘sinking’, although it is a
>> > verb, acts as an adjective to describe the word ‘feeling’ and is,
>> > technically, a participle.  The word ‘feeling’ in that sentence,
>> > although it is a verb, acts like a noun and is, technically, a
>> > gerund.  These are transitional parts of speech where one type of word
>> > acts as a different part of speech than it may appear.
>> >     So, let’s map out the parts of speech to the Periodic Table based
>> > on Semitic language.  Firstly, it’s easy to see that interjections
>> > stand alone and do not combine with other parts of speech; therefore,
>> > the interjection is Period 8 (The Inert or Noble gases).  All Semitic
>> > languages have their root words as verbs.  Verbs are conjugated, have
>> > tenses, number and person.  They are the most configurable and seem
>> > the most likely to sit at Period 1, as the Period 1 atoms combine with
>> > other atoms the most.  Period 2, then, would seem to be nouns.  In
>> > Semitic languages, nouns are formed from their root verb stems because
>> > every action implies an actor.  Also, after Period 2 are the
>> > Transitional Elements.  These are the verb forms that act as either
>> > nouns (gerunds) or adjectives (participles).  Following that logic, at
>> > the other end of the Transitional Elements is Period 3, which must be
>> > the adjectives.  Now, we have to go back to the other end of the
>> > table.  Pronouns stand for specific nouns, that is, they each have a
>> > single antecedent, a noun upon which they depend.  This seems akin to
>> > the Period 7 Halogen group as they can only combine with one other
>> > atom.  Period 6 has two open places for connection with ‘others’ and
>> > so seems to fit in well with the concept of a conjunction, which links
>> > two ‘other’ things together.  The Period 5 group has three open places
>> > for connection and seems a best fit for the concept of the preposition
>> > which can relate one object to another either directly or indirectly
>> > or both.  That leaves Period 4 as the adverbs.  And each period is
>> > covered and directly corresponds to a part of speech.  If you think
>> > I’ve left out the ‘article’, then think again.  The Lanthanide group
>> > is most akin to the ‘definite article’, as they are all (well, with
>> > the single exception of Promethium) non-radioactive and are stable
>> > elements.  This leaves the Actinide group to be representative of the
>> > ‘indefinite article’ as they are all radio-active and unstable and, in
>> > that respect, indefinite, because they are unstable.  And now, all
>> > parts of speech are covered by their corresponding aspect of the
>> > Periodic Table of Elements.
>> >     It is my hypothesis that God creates through these words or
>> > elements and it is on that basis that the concept of ‘The Pen’ relates
>> > to how God creates.  This completes the examples of how God’s creative
>> > Word can be analogous to fermions, that is, the hadrons and leptons
>> > that comprise atoms/elements.
>> >     Yet there are subtle inferences that are implied.  For example,
>> > the pen and the voice are the forces behind written and spoken
>> > language.  And, of course, in each case, there must be an author and a
>> > speaker.  These are other forces that act behind the pen and the
>> > voice.  So, there are four forces behind this creative ability that
>> > are analogous to the four bosonic forces of electro-magnetism,
>> > gravity, and the weak and strong atomic forces.  Of all of these, the
>> > analogy of ‘The Pen’ to the electro-magnetic force is the most obvious
>> > because a pen is useless without ink.  So, as the ink goes with the
>> > pen, the electric and magnetic forces are always found together.  The
>> > voice, then, must be most analogous to gravity, as it is unseen but
>> > moves us in ways unimaginable.  This leaves the weak and strong forces
>> > being analogous to the author (weak) and the speaker (strong).  I
>> > believe that the spoken word is more powerful than the written word
>> > simply because one must learn to read in order for the written word to
>> > be understood, whereas hearing is all that is required for the spoken
>> > word to be comprehended.  Put another way, an illiterate individual
>> > can be moved by the spoken word but not by the
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