On Dec 8, 5:26 pm, DarkwaterBlight <[email protected]> wrote: > I cannot help but bring Tolstoy (one of rigsy's favorites) into this > disscussion. In searching for some biblical references I stumbled upon > a manuscript titled; "The Kingdom of Heaven Is Within You; > Christianity Not As A Mystical Religion But As A New Theory of Life". > Ultimately, the church's teachings are contrary to the Bible's and > that of Jesus (don't look so surprised)! Tolstoy does wonderful job of > illustrating this in this two volume manuscript which I am not quite > finished with. A great read for anyone who has the > time!http://books.google.com/books?id=-yMMAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=... >
There are several concepts of 'The Kingdom of God'. I believe that it exists as soon as one realises that it is God that governs what occurs in the universe. Einstein's concept of space-time as a fixed, 4-D volume that contained all of space and time is a guidepost to the Kingdom. If the future is already extant in the continuum, then God has already thought out the whole plan of the universe and is in the process of executing it. When you realise that, you KNOW, without doubt, that God is King of this universe. And, thus, the Kingdom of God is, in fact, this universe (To quote (George) Harrison: Within You, Without You). Many of Jesus' teachings are, of course, in direct conflict with Paul's teachings, as Paul never met the man and formed his own view and touted it to the world. But that was Paul's conflict more than Jesus'!! > On Dec 6, 9:16 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 3, 1:33 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I've been fascinated always with the Logos - the meaning that passes > > > between us, and this is often thought of when contemplating language > > > and meaning. Interestingly enough, Rudolph Steiner considered Christ > > > to be the incarnation of the Logos, as his message is the movement of > > > meaning (love) between us. Before that, Sophia was the goddess of > > > wisdom, and was the symbol of Logos in the biblical traditions. > > > Sophiology is fascinating. I do believe, as you may know, that the > > > meaning IS spirit, or God, and as you say, Pat, all consciousness is > > > of spirit or God. In that, I am everyone, and my conscious awareness > > > of this would be Christ Consciousness (although current trends may > > > give that phase connotations I would not personally ascribe.) > > > Yeah, fair enough. I agree with you completely with your last > > statement, including the parenthetical that, in my opinion, isn't > > really parenthetical, but, rather germane to the individual belief. > > As you will recall, the Islamic view of The Logos is based on the > > Qur'an's statement that God said 'Be!' and Mary was pregnant with > > Jesus. So, the Islamic view is that Jesus (The Islamic Prophet Isa) > > is God's word ('Be'!) made flesh and so fulfills the concept of Logos. > > > > On Dec 1, 12:10 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 30, 4:02 am, edward mason <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > "When people find it more interesting to study prophecy it is much > > > > > easier> than studying how to live life on a day to day basis after > > > > > all it is easier > > > > > > to distort and shape into what you want it to say." > > > > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > I find very interesting in this regard is the fact that the "coded > > > > > > language" of the prophets is so closely related to the language of > > > > > > dreams, it's hard to find a line that seperates the two, if there > > > > > > is, indeed, a point of seperation between them. One thing that I > > > > > > know as a fact, is that during the course of dreams, one may > > > > > > received more than simply instructions for living. At that rate, > > > > > > there are directions, standards (moral and legal), warnings, and so > > > > > > on for daily living found in the prophecies. I also see that the > > > > > > different prophecies say a lot of the same things, particuliarly, > > > > > > regarding the destruction and the end, but in different ways; much > > > > > > like re- phrasing a sentence. This is where the Words of God come > > > > > > alive, and live; they sound the same no matter where they are > > > > > > written. As we learn, we learn that the Words of God may not even > > > > > > be in words, but in feeling, still sound the same as the WORDS. The > > > > > > recognition is always there, as far as I can Tell. > > > > > > Edward > > > > > Edward, have you considered that the elements themselves might be the > > > > 'Words of God'? There was a piece I'd written, here, a few months > > > > back that outlines a synchronicity between the parts of speech and the > > > > periods of the periodic table of elements. I reckon that, when God > > > > speaks, things actually happen, that is, elements interact as God's > > > > sentences are voiced (for lack of a better term or analogy) and > > > > continually create the unfolding world around us. Here's that piece, > > > > again, so you can read it. Let me know what you think!! > > > > > This was spawned by a discussion of 'the Pen' and, as I knew how that > > > > concept related to the very first revelation of the Qur'an, I started > > > > my response by outlining that; but, then, I got into the actual link > > > > between the parts of speech and the periodic table. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > I thought that, since the concept of ‘The Pen’ had been discussed, > > > > that I might take this opportunity to mention a couple of things. > > > > Firstly, the concept of ‘The Pen’ and how it relates to ‘The Word of > > > > God’ might be obvious to some but not others. It was a concept that > > > > was revealed in the very first Revelation to the Prophet Mohammed > > > > (pbuh). > > > > The first 5 lines of Surah 96 (Al Alaq [the Clot]) were the very > > > > first lines revealed and here they are: > > > > > 96:1 Read! In the name of your Lord and Cherisher, who created > > > > Iqra! Bismi rabbika-lladhi khalaq > > > > > 96:2 Created man from a clot of congealed blood. > > > > Khalaq-al-insana min alaq > > > > > 96:3 Read! And your Lord is Most Bountiful > > > > Iqra! Wa Rabbuka-al-Akram > > > > > 96:4 He who taught by the Pen > > > > Alladhi allama bil-qalam > > > > > 96:5 Taught man that which he knew not. > > > > Allam al insana ma lam ya lam. > > > > > If you read the transliterated Arabic above, you can get a feel > > > > for the rhythm and the rhyme that simply doesn’t come across in the > > > > translation. The entire Qur’an of 6,616 verses is like that. That’s > > > > why it was easy to learn for native Arabic speakers, who were used to > > > > oral traditions and story-telling. Also, the word Qur’an means > > > > ‘recital’, as it was intended to be spoken, as it was, originally, > > > > revealed to a man, The Prophet Mohammed (pbuh), who was illiterate. > > > > And no one has been able since, to create any poetry like it—not in > > > > rhythm, rhyme and depth of meaning. > > > > It dawned on me, over the weekend, that there is another analogy > > > > between ‘The Pen’, ‘The Word of God’, language and matter itself. It > > > > has been a part of Jewish, Christian and Islamic doctrine that God > > > > created the universe via His ‘Word’. But what, exactly, IS His Word? > > > > Let’s look at language and see how it relates to matter. I think > > > > sentences act like molecules. Each one has a particular purpose, > > > > structure and quality. Yet they are made of words. That makes words > > > > akin to atoms. But atoms are further divided into the sub-atomic > > > > particles of hadrons and leptons like words are comprised of letters > > > > which are either consonants or vowels. Yet even letters can be viewed > > > > as being made of lines, either straight or curved. Here is an > > > > allusion to String Theory and the concept of closed and open strings. > > > > Also, atoms (words) fall into 8 periods in the Periodic Table of > > > > Elements. These are, in a way, akin to the 8 parts of speech: nouns, > > > > verbs, pronouns, adjectives, adverbs, conjunctions, prepositions and > > > > interjections. Yet some elements fall into transitional groups. > > > > Theses would be akin to the concepts of participles and gerunds. A > > > > participle is a verb-like word that acts like an adjective, e.g., the > > > > word ‘sinking’ in the sentence: “Every time I see the film ‘Titanic’, > > > > I get a certain sinking feeling. The word ‘sinking’, although it is a > > > > verb, acts as an adjective to describe the word ‘feeling’ and is, > > > > technically, a participle. The word ‘feeling’ in that sentence, > > > > although it is a verb, acts like a noun and is, technically, a > > > > gerund. These are transitional parts of speech where one type of word > > > > acts as a different part of speech than it may appear. > > > > So, let’s map out the parts of speech to the Periodic Table based > > > > on Semitic language. Firstly, it’s easy to see that interjections > > > > stand alone and do not combine with other parts of speech; therefore, > > > > the interjection is Period 8 (The Inert or Noble gases). All Semitic > > > > languages have their root words as verbs. Verbs are conjugated, have > > > > tenses, number and person. They are the most configurable and seem > > > > the most likely to sit at Period 1, as the Period 1 atoms combine with > > > > other atoms the most. Period 2, then, would seem to be nouns. In > > > > Semitic languages, nouns are formed from their root verb stems because > > > > every action implies an actor. Also, after Period 2 are the > > > > Transitional Elements. These are the verb forms that act as either > > > > nouns (gerunds) or adjectives (participles). Following that logic, at > > > > the other end of the Transitional Elements is Period 3, which must be > > > > the adjectives. Now, we have to go back to the other end of the > > > > table. Pronouns stand for specific nouns, that is, they each have a > > > > single antecedent, a noun upon which they depend. This seems akin to > > > > the Period 7 Halogen group as they can only combine with one other > > > > atom. Period 6 has two open places for connection with ‘others’ and > > > > so seems to fit in well with the concept of a conjunction, which links > > > > two ‘other’ things together. The Period 5 group has three open places > > > > for > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
