*Dear Brothers, I didn't read all the posts but when i read the title freedom i said to my self let all the ppls in the free world see what the freedom means to us in Bahrain the majority seeking freedom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9W_-0uGN1E&feature=player_embedded&skipcontrinter=1 please send this video to your friends let all the peoples in this world know the truth * On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mar 14, 5:26 pm, Binah Hochma <[email protected]> wrote: > > Allen, being true to yourself is probably the most difficult. Can we > give > > up our right to be right, even when we "know" we are right, in favor of > > respect for others? In favor of being in relationship with others, as > we > > are social beings? Our we willing to believe that maybe, just maybe we > > don't have the truth? > > Some times in order to be in relationship with others you have to keep > > yourself to your self and then the question is, are you in real > relationship > > if you can't share your true self. > > Binah > > > > Very good point. The only relationship I ever had where I could be > completely honest was the best relationship I ever had. > Unfortunately, that was when I was 15. ;-) > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:38 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > One's truth may be true and still dangerous or irritating to others. I > > > think we have pieces of truths but respect- or try to respect- > > > different points of view. > > > > > No- just an earthquake in Japan. How about you? > > > > > On Mar 12, 10:17 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > No Rigsy being true to oneself does not stop you from being a social > > > > person.. but is it a rough day today? > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:28 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I disagree, Allan. We are social creatures, afterall. One's truth > may > > > > > be a falsehood and dangerous or irritating to others. > > > > > > > On Mar 12, 1:33 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Your only obligation in any lifetime is be true to yourself > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:34 PM, pol.science kid < > > > [email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > you know..another thing here...struck me kind of > > > > > > > late...re-enforcement....acknowledging of our > 'achievement'...the > > > basic > > > > > need > > > > > > > for approval...rewards..and constant need for proving...does it > > > have > > > > > > > anything to do with the underlying psychological social bent > ...and > > > are > > > > > they > > > > > > > necessarily innate... > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 7:02 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> I do agree with the innate idea- thinking of the joy an infant > > > feels > > > > > > >> when learning to stand/walk/toss food off his highchair > tray,etc. > > > But > > > > > > >> that joy is best when encouraged by parents or caregivers and > that > > > > > > >> bonus really doesn't change much through life. An individual > can > > > feel > > > > > > >> a sense of accomplishment on his own yet still yearns for re- > > > > > > >> enforcement of some sort- of which their are many- one could > even > > > > > > >> depend on abstract rewards.// Family, religion, education, > society > > > are > > > > > > >> some of the more important channels we must choose how to > swim/ > > > > > > >> navigate and our own individual nature may have to oppose > rather > > > than > > > > > > >> comply which can be subtle or violent and everything > in-between. I > > > > > > >> feel rebellion against authority is a natural state of > becoming a > > > > > > >> distinct individual but all rests on method and outcome. > Another > > > > > > >> factor is maturity- often our understanding of and empathy for > our > > > > > > >> parents comes round when we become parents, for instance > > > > > > > > >> On Mar 9, 6:18 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > PSK, the notion of feeling empowered *IF* associated with > actual > > > > > being/ > > > > > > >> > will, is innate. Such an experience one either is aware of > or > > > asleep > > > > > > >> > to along with differing levels of perception. > > > > > > > > >> > Conditions?...it can make a difference; however, the same > > > setting > > > > > for > > > > > > >> > different people will often result in different levels of > > > awareness > > > > > of > > > > > > >> > will so as I see it, other factors are of more importance. > > > > > > > > >> > On Mar 9, 2:45 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > As you say....the modes are both only different methods of > > > > > percieving > > > > > > >> > > perhaps....what i want to know orn...is when does an > > > individual > > > > > feel > > > > > > >> > > empowered....an individual...a will...an active > will....what > > > > > > >> attributes to > > > > > > >> > > it...what conditions...is it more likely in a certain > > > > > setting.....i > > > > > > >> hope i > > > > > > >> > > make sense > > > > > > > > >> > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:09 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > >> > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > “i guess ..i meant a secular rather than a religious or > > > > > theological > > > > > > >> > > > mode of > > > > > > >> > > > understanding things...the world.... “ – PSK > > > > > > > > >> > > > Well, that does point towards an area of your beliefs so > > > thanks > > > > > for > > > > > > >> > > > this much. Perhaps you could be even more specific? > > > > > > > > >> > > > As far as I’ve found out…reviewing human thought over > the > > > ages,… > > > > > > >> > > > secular and religious views often are at the very least > > > > > intertwined. > > > > > > > > >> > > > On the other hand, perhaps you are being much more > literal > > > when > > > > > you > > > > > > >> > > > use the notion of “…mode of understanding things…”. If > this > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > >> > > > case, a more specific unpacking of what the two > apparently > > > (to > > > > > you) > > > > > > >> > > > different modes would be of value, OK? > > > > > > > > >> > > > I’ll suspend judgment until I hear more. > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Mar 7, 3:01 am, "pol.science kid" < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > i guess ..i meant a secular rather than a religious or > > > > > theological > > > > > > >> mode > > > > > > >> > > > of > > > > > > >> > > > > understanding things...the world.... > > > > > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:21 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > “…revolution in knowledge and philosophy…” – PSK ??? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > To continue the discussion, one would need to know > what > > > you > > > > > mean > > > > > > >> here. > > > > > > >> > > > > > Would you unpack it a bit? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Before actually knowing what you mean, I see little > if > > > any > > > > > > >> > > > > > ‘revolution’ in this context. Yes, there is a > process of > > > > > change > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > >> > > > > > thought over the millennia yet such general ‘change’ > > > doesn’t > > > > > > >> mean a > > > > > > >> > > > > > progression towards a more accurate view. Case in > point > > > – > > > > > you > > > > > > >> are > > > > > > >> > > > > > apparently using the dialectical view of one view > being > > > in > > > > > > >> > > > > > contradiction with another. While many do apprehend > in > > > this > > > > > way, > > > > > > >> in no > > > > > > >> > > > > > way is that an indicator of the accuracy of such a > view. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > As best as I can see, both can be known > > > consubstantially. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Mar 7, 2:25 am, "pol.science kid" < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I was thinking .... i agree with what yuo guys say > > > > > ....could > > > > > > >> it also > > > > > > >> > > > be > > > > > > >> > > > > > the > > > > > > >> > > > > > > revolution in knowledge and philosophy...when it > was > > > > > > >> > > > questioned....what > > > > > > >> > > > > > > can an INdividual know.....it kind of pitts one > > > against > > > > > the > > > > > > >> whole in > > > > > > >> > > > this > > > > > > >> > > > > > > struggle to know...or salvation through > > > knowledge...what > > > > > > >> say.... > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, pol.science kid < > > > > > > >> > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > True we have come a long way..and the word has > been > > > > > taken > > > > > > >> for > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > granted....but i would like an opinion of each > one > > > of > > > > > you > > > > > > >> ...on the > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sanctity of Freedom.... it is also my casual > > > inference > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > that....individuality ...the modern obsession > with > > > > > > >> it....how come > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > some primitive tribes...hold the community at a > > > level > > > > > above > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > individual....while it is not quite so in our > > > > > > >> 'modernised'...or > > > > > > >> > > > rather > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > westernised world.....are there concepts of > > > radicalised > > > > > > >> > > > individuality > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > in the oriental philosophy..... need your > opoinions > > > > > fellows > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > > > >> > > > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > > > > > >> > > > > -- > > > > > > >> > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > > > > > >> > > -- > > > > > > >> > > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ( > > > > > > ) > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
