Allen, being true to yourself is probably the most difficult. Can we give up our right to be right, even when we "know" we are right, in favor of respect for others? In favor of being in relationship with others, as we are social beings? Our we willing to believe that maybe, just maybe we don't have the truth? Some times in order to be in relationship with others you have to keep yourself to your self and then the question is, are you in real relationship if you can't share your true self. Binah
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:38 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > One's truth may be true and still dangerous or irritating to others. I > think we have pieces of truths but respect- or try to respect- > different points of view. > > No- just an earthquake in Japan. How about you? > > On Mar 12, 10:17 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > No Rigsy being true to oneself does not stop you from being a social > > person.. but is it a rough day today? > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:28 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I disagree, Allan. We are social creatures, afterall. One's truth may > > > be a falsehood and dangerous or irritating to others. > > > > > On Mar 12, 1:33 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Your only obligation in any lifetime is be true to yourself > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:34 PM, pol.science kid < > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > you know..another thing here...struck me kind of > > > > > late...re-enforcement....acknowledging of our 'achievement'...the > basic > > > need > > > > > for approval...rewards..and constant need for proving...does it > have > > > > > anything to do with the underlying psychological social bent ...and > are > > > they > > > > > necessarily innate... > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 7:02 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> I do agree with the innate idea- thinking of the joy an infant > feels > > > > >> when learning to stand/walk/toss food off his highchair tray,etc. > But > > > > >> that joy is best when encouraged by parents or caregivers and that > > > > >> bonus really doesn't change much through life. An individual can > feel > > > > >> a sense of accomplishment on his own yet still yearns for re- > > > > >> enforcement of some sort- of which their are many- one could even > > > > >> depend on abstract rewards.// Family, religion, education, society > are > > > > >> some of the more important channels we must choose how to swim/ > > > > >> navigate and our own individual nature may have to oppose rather > than > > > > >> comply which can be subtle or violent and everything in-between. I > > > > >> feel rebellion against authority is a natural state of becoming a > > > > >> distinct individual but all rests on method and outcome. Another > > > > >> factor is maturity- often our understanding of and empathy for our > > > > >> parents comes round when we become parents, for instance > > > > > > >> On Mar 9, 6:18 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >> > PSK, the notion of feeling empowered *IF* associated with actual > > > being/ > > > > >> > will, is innate. Such an experience one either is aware of or > asleep > > > > >> > to along with differing levels of perception. > > > > > > >> > Conditions?...it can make a difference; however, the same > setting > > > for > > > > >> > different people will often result in different levels of > awareness > > > of > > > > >> > will so as I see it, other factors are of more importance. > > > > > > >> > On Mar 9, 2:45 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > As you say....the modes are both only different methods of > > > percieving > > > > >> > > perhaps....what i want to know orn...is when does an > individual > > > feel > > > > >> > > empowered....an individual...a will...an active will....what > > > > >> attributes to > > > > >> > > it...what conditions...is it more likely in a certain > > > setting.....i > > > > >> hope i > > > > >> > > make sense > > > > > > >> > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:09 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > >> > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > “i guess ..i meant a secular rather than a religious or > > > theological > > > > >> > > > mode of > > > > >> > > > understanding things...the world.... “ – PSK > > > > > > >> > > > Well, that does point towards an area of your beliefs so > thanks > > > for > > > > >> > > > this much. Perhaps you could be even more specific? > > > > > > >> > > > As far as I’ve found out…reviewing human thought over the > ages,… > > > > >> > > > secular and religious views often are at the very least > > > intertwined. > > > > > > >> > > > On the other hand, perhaps you are being much more literal > when > > > you > > > > >> > > > use the notion of “…mode of understanding things…”. If this > is > > > the > > > > >> > > > case, a more specific unpacking of what the two apparently > (to > > > you) > > > > >> > > > different modes would be of value, OK? > > > > > > >> > > > I’ll suspend judgment until I hear more. > > > > > > >> > > > On Mar 7, 3:01 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > i guess ..i meant a secular rather than a religious or > > > theological > > > > >> mode > > > > >> > > > of > > > > >> > > > > understanding things...the world.... > > > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:21 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > “…revolution in knowledge and philosophy…” – PSK ??? > > > > > > >> > > > > > To continue the discussion, one would need to know what > you > > > mean > > > > >> here. > > > > >> > > > > > Would you unpack it a bit? > > > > > > >> > > > > > Before actually knowing what you mean, I see little if > any > > > > >> > > > > > ‘revolution’ in this context. Yes, there is a process of > > > change > > > > >> in > > > > >> > > > > > thought over the millennia yet such general ‘change’ > doesn’t > > > > >> mean a > > > > >> > > > > > progression towards a more accurate view. Case in point > – > > > you > > > > >> are > > > > >> > > > > > apparently using the dialectical view of one view being > in > > > > >> > > > > > contradiction with another. While many do apprehend in > this > > > way, > > > > >> in no > > > > >> > > > > > way is that an indicator of the accuracy of such a view. > > > > > > >> > > > > > As best as I can see, both can be known > consubstantially. > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Mar 7, 2:25 am, "pol.science kid" < > [email protected]> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > I was thinking .... i agree with what yuo guys say > > > ....could > > > > >> it also > > > > >> > > > be > > > > >> > > > > > the > > > > >> > > > > > > revolution in knowledge and philosophy...when it was > > > > >> > > > questioned....what > > > > >> > > > > > > can an INdividual know.....it kind of pitts one > against > > > the > > > > >> whole in > > > > >> > > > this > > > > >> > > > > > > struggle to know...or salvation through > knowledge...what > > > > >> say.... > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, pol.science kid < > > > > >> > > > [email protected] > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > True we have come a long way..and the word has been > > > taken > > > > >> for > > > > >> > > > > > > > granted....but i would like an opinion of each one > of > > > you > > > > >> ...on the > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sanctity of Freedom.... it is also my casual > inference > > > > >> > > > > > > > that....individuality ...the modern obsession with > > > > >> it....how come > > > > >> > > > > > > > some primitive tribes...hold the community at a > level > > > above > > > > >> the > > > > >> > > > > > > > individual....while it is not quite so in our > > > > >> 'modernised'...or > > > > >> > > > rather > > > > >> > > > > > > > westernised world.....are there concepts of > radicalised > > > > >> > > > individuality > > > > >> > > > > > > > in the oriental philosophy..... need your opoinions > > > fellows > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > >> > > > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > > > >> > > > > -- > > > > >> > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > > > >> > > -- > > > > >> > > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > -- > > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -
