I disagree, Allan. We are social creatures, afterall. One's truth may be a falsehood and dangerous or irritating to others.
On Mar 12, 1:33 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Your only obligation in any lifetime is be true to yourself > Allan > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:34 PM, pol.science kid <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > you know..another thing here...struck me kind of > > late...re-enforcement....acknowledging of our 'achievement'...the basic need > > for approval...rewards..and constant need for proving...does it have > > anything to do with the underlying psychological social bent ...and are they > > necessarily innate... > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 7:02 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> I do agree with the innate idea- thinking of the joy an infant feels > >> when learning to stand/walk/toss food off his highchair tray,etc. But > >> that joy is best when encouraged by parents or caregivers and that > >> bonus really doesn't change much through life. An individual can feel > >> a sense of accomplishment on his own yet still yearns for re- > >> enforcement of some sort- of which their are many- one could even > >> depend on abstract rewards.// Family, religion, education, society are > >> some of the more important channels we must choose how to swim/ > >> navigate and our own individual nature may have to oppose rather than > >> comply which can be subtle or violent and everything in-between. I > >> feel rebellion against authority is a natural state of becoming a > >> distinct individual but all rests on method and outcome. Another > >> factor is maturity- often our understanding of and empathy for our > >> parents comes round when we become parents, for instance > > >> On Mar 9, 6:18 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > PSK, the notion of feeling empowered *IF* associated with actual being/ > >> > will, is innate. Such an experience one either is aware of or asleep > >> > to along with differing levels of perception. > > >> > Conditions?...it can make a difference; however, the same setting for > >> > different people will often result in different levels of awareness of > >> > will so as I see it, other factors are of more importance. > > >> > On Mar 9, 2:45 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > As you say....the modes are both only different methods of percieving > >> > > perhaps....what i want to know orn...is when does an individual feel > >> > > empowered....an individual...a will...an active will....what > >> attributes to > >> > > it...what conditions...is it more likely in a certain setting.....i > >> hope i > >> > > make sense > > >> > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:09 PM, ornamentalmind > >> > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> > > > “i guess ..i meant a secular rather than a religious or theological > >> > > > mode of > >> > > > understanding things...the world.... “ – PSK > > >> > > > Well, that does point towards an area of your beliefs so thanks for > >> > > > this much. Perhaps you could be even more specific? > > >> > > > As far as I’ve found out…reviewing human thought over the ages,… > >> > > > secular and religious views often are at the very least intertwined. > > >> > > > On the other hand, perhaps you are being much more literal when you > >> > > > use the notion of “…mode of understanding things…”. If this is the > >> > > > case, a more specific unpacking of what the two apparently (to you) > >> > > > different modes would be of value, OK? > > >> > > > I’ll suspend judgment until I hear more. > > >> > > > On Mar 7, 3:01 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > i guess ..i meant a secular rather than a religious or theological > >> mode > >> > > > of > >> > > > > understanding things...the world.... > > >> > > > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:21 PM, ornamentalmind > >> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> > > > > > “…revolution in knowledge and philosophy…” – PSK ??? > > >> > > > > > To continue the discussion, one would need to know what you mean > >> here. > >> > > > > > Would you unpack it a bit? > > >> > > > > > Before actually knowing what you mean, I see little if any > >> > > > > > ‘revolution’ in this context. Yes, there is a process of change > >> in > >> > > > > > thought over the millennia yet such general ‘change’ doesn’t > >> mean a > >> > > > > > progression towards a more accurate view. Case in point – you > >> are > >> > > > > > apparently using the dialectical view of one view being in > >> > > > > > contradiction with another. While many do apprehend in this way, > >> in no > >> > > > > > way is that an indicator of the accuracy of such a view. > > >> > > > > > As best as I can see, both can be known consubstantially. > > >> > > > > > On Mar 7, 2:25 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > > > > > I was thinking .... i agree with what yuo guys say ....could > >> it also > >> > > > be > >> > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > revolution in knowledge and philosophy...when it was > >> > > > questioned....what > >> > > > > > > can an INdividual know.....it kind of pitts one against the > >> whole in > >> > > > this > >> > > > > > > struggle to know...or salvation through knowledge...what > >> say.... > > >> > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, pol.science kid < > >> > > > [email protected] > >> > > > > > >wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > True we have come a long way..and the word has been taken > >> for > >> > > > > > > > granted....but i would like an opinion of each one of you > >> ...on the > >> > > > > > > > Sanctity of Freedom.... it is also my casual inference > >> > > > > > > > that....individuality ...the modern obsession with > >> it....how come > >> > > > > > > > some primitive tribes...hold the community at a level above > >> the > >> > > > > > > > individual....while it is not quite so in our > >> 'modernised'...or > >> > > > rather > >> > > > > > > > westernised world.....are there concepts of radicalised > >> > > > individuality > >> > > > > > > > in the oriental philosophy..... need your opoinions fellows > > >> > > > > > > -- > >> > > > > > > \--/ Peace > > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > \--/ Peace > > >> > > -- > >> > > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > \--/ Peace > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
