"encouraged' joy is best?...such a strange notion in a conversation about freedom.
On Mar 9, 5:32 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I do agree with the innate idea- thinking of the joy an infant feels > when learning to stand/walk/toss food off his highchair tray,etc. But > that joy is best when encouraged by parents or caregivers and that > bonus really doesn't change much through life. An individual can feel > a sense of accomplishment on his own yet still yearns for re- > enforcement of some sort- of which their are many- one could even > depend on abstract reward, religion, education, society are > some of the more important channels we must choose how to swim/ > navigate and our own individual nature may have to oppose rather than > comply which can be subtle or violent and everything in-between. I > feel rebellion against authority is a natural state of becoming a > distinct individual but all rests on method and outcome. Another > factor is maturity- often our understanding of and empathy for our > parents comes round when we become parents, for instance > > On Mar 9, 6:18 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > PSK, the notion of feeling empowered *IF* associated with actual being/ > > will, is innate. Such an experience one either is aware of or asleep > > to along with differing levels of perception. > > > Conditions?...it can make a difference; however, the same setting for > > different people will often result in different levels of awareness of > > will so as I see it, other factors are of more importance. > > > On Mar 9, 2:45 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > As you say....the modes are both only different methods of percieving > > > perhaps....what i want to know orn...is when does an individual feel > > > empowered....an individual...a will...an active will....what attributes to > > > it...what conditions...is it more likely in a certain setting.....i hope i > > > make sense > > > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:09 PM, ornamentalmind > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > “i guess ..i meant a secular rather than a religious or theological > > > > mode of > > > > understanding things...the world.... “ – PSK > > > > > Well, that does point towards an area of your beliefs so thanks for > > > > this much. Perhaps you could be even more specific? > > > > > As far as I’ve found out…reviewing human thought over the ages,… > > > > secular and religious views often are at the very least intertwined. > > > > > On the other hand, perhaps you are being much more literal when you > > > > use the notion of “…mode of understanding things…”. If this is the > > > > case, a more specific unpacking of what the two apparently (to you) > > > > different modes would be of value, OK? > > > > > I’ll suspend judgment until I hear more. > > > > > On Mar 7, 3:01 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > i guess ..i meant a secular rather than a religious or theological > > > > > mode > > > > of > > > > > understanding things...the world.... > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:21 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > “…revolution in knowledge and philosophy…” – PSK ??? > > > > > > > To continue the discussion, one would need to know what you mean > > > > > > here. > > > > > > Would you unpack it a bit? > > > > > > > Before actually knowing what you mean, I see little if any > > > > > > ‘revolution’ in this context. Yes, there is a process of change in > > > > > > thought over the millennia yet such general ‘change’ doesn’t mean a > > > > > > progression towards a more accurate view. Case in point – you are > > > > > > apparently using the dialectical view of one view being in > > > > > > contradiction with another. While many do apprehend in this way, in > > > > > > no > > > > > > way is that an indicator of the accuracy of such a view. > > > > > > > As best as I can see, both can be known consubstantially. > > > > > > > On Mar 7, 2:25 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I was thinking .... i agree with what yuo guys say ....could it > > > > > > > also > > > > be > > > > > > the > > > > > > > revolution in knowledge and philosophy...when it was > > > > questioned....what > > > > > > > can an INdividual know.....it kind of pitts one against the whole > > > > > > > in > > > > this > > > > > > > struggle to know...or salvation through knowledge...what say.... > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, pol.science kid < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > True we have come a long way..and the word has been taken for > > > > > > > > granted....but i would like an opinion of each one of you ...on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Sanctity of Freedom.... it is also my casual inference > > > > > > > > that....individuality ...the modern obsession with it....how > > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > some primitive tribes...hold the community at a level above the > > > > > > > > individual....while it is not quite so in our 'modernised'...or > > > > rather > > > > > > > > westernised world.....are there concepts of radicalised > > > > individuality > > > > > > > > in the oriental philosophy..... need your opoinions fellows > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > > > -- > > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > -- > > > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
