No Rigsy being true to oneself does not stop you from being a social person.. but is it a rough day today? Allan
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 3:28 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I disagree, Allan. We are social creatures, afterall. One's truth may > be a falsehood and dangerous or irritating to others. > > On Mar 12, 1:33 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Your only obligation in any lifetime is be true to yourself > > Allan > > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:34 PM, pol.science kid <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know..another thing here...struck me kind of > > > late...re-enforcement....acknowledging of our 'achievement'...the basic > need > > > for approval...rewards..and constant need for proving...does it have > > > anything to do with the underlying psychological social bent ...and are > they > > > necessarily innate... > > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 7:02 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> I do agree with the innate idea- thinking of the joy an infant feels > > >> when learning to stand/walk/toss food off his highchair tray,etc. But > > >> that joy is best when encouraged by parents or caregivers and that > > >> bonus really doesn't change much through life. An individual can feel > > >> a sense of accomplishment on his own yet still yearns for re- > > >> enforcement of some sort- of which their are many- one could even > > >> depend on abstract rewards.// Family, religion, education, society are > > >> some of the more important channels we must choose how to swim/ > > >> navigate and our own individual nature may have to oppose rather than > > >> comply which can be subtle or violent and everything in-between. I > > >> feel rebellion against authority is a natural state of becoming a > > >> distinct individual but all rests on method and outcome. Another > > >> factor is maturity- often our understanding of and empathy for our > > >> parents comes round when we become parents, for instance > > > > >> On Mar 9, 6:18 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > PSK, the notion of feeling empowered *IF* associated with actual > being/ > > >> > will, is innate. Such an experience one either is aware of or asleep > > >> > to along with differing levels of perception. > > > > >> > Conditions?...it can make a difference; however, the same setting > for > > >> > different people will often result in different levels of awareness > of > > >> > will so as I see it, other factors are of more importance. > > > > >> > On Mar 9, 2:45 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > As you say....the modes are both only different methods of > percieving > > >> > > perhaps....what i want to know orn...is when does an individual > feel > > >> > > empowered....an individual...a will...an active will....what > > >> attributes to > > >> > > it...what conditions...is it more likely in a certain > setting.....i > > >> hope i > > >> > > make sense > > > > >> > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:09 PM, ornamentalmind > > >> > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > >> > > > “i guess ..i meant a secular rather than a religious or > theological > > >> > > > mode of > > >> > > > understanding things...the world.... “ – PSK > > > > >> > > > Well, that does point towards an area of your beliefs so thanks > for > > >> > > > this much. Perhaps you could be even more specific? > > > > >> > > > As far as I’ve found out…reviewing human thought over the ages,… > > >> > > > secular and religious views often are at the very least > intertwined. > > > > >> > > > On the other hand, perhaps you are being much more literal when > you > > >> > > > use the notion of “…mode of understanding things…”. If this is > the > > >> > > > case, a more specific unpacking of what the two apparently (to > you) > > >> > > > different modes would be of value, OK? > > > > >> > > > I’ll suspend judgment until I hear more. > > > > >> > > > On Mar 7, 3:01 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > > > > i guess ..i meant a secular rather than a religious or > theological > > >> mode > > >> > > > of > > >> > > > > understanding things...the world.... > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:21 PM, ornamentalmind > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > “…revolution in knowledge and philosophy…” – PSK ??? > > > > >> > > > > > To continue the discussion, one would need to know what you > mean > > >> here. > > >> > > > > > Would you unpack it a bit? > > > > >> > > > > > Before actually knowing what you mean, I see little if any > > >> > > > > > ‘revolution’ in this context. Yes, there is a process of > change > > >> in > > >> > > > > > thought over the millennia yet such general ‘change’ doesn’t > > >> mean a > > >> > > > > > progression towards a more accurate view. Case in point – > you > > >> are > > >> > > > > > apparently using the dialectical view of one view being in > > >> > > > > > contradiction with another. While many do apprehend in this > way, > > >> in no > > >> > > > > > way is that an indicator of the accuracy of such a view. > > > > >> > > > > > As best as I can see, both can be known consubstantially. > > > > >> > > > > > On Mar 7, 2:25 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > > > > I was thinking .... i agree with what yuo guys say > ....could > > >> it also > > >> > > > be > > >> > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > revolution in knowledge and philosophy...when it was > > >> > > > questioned....what > > >> > > > > > > can an INdividual know.....it kind of pitts one against > the > > >> whole in > > >> > > > this > > >> > > > > > > struggle to know...or salvation through knowledge...what > > >> say.... > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:01 PM, pol.science kid < > > >> > > > [email protected] > > >> > > > > > >wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > True we have come a long way..and the word has been > taken > > >> for > > >> > > > > > > > granted....but i would like an opinion of each one of > you > > >> ...on the > > >> > > > > > > > Sanctity of Freedom.... it is also my casual inference > > >> > > > > > > > that....individuality ...the modern obsession with > > >> it....how come > > >> > > > > > > > some primitive tribes...hold the community at a level > above > > >> the > > >> > > > > > > > individual....while it is not quite so in our > > >> 'modernised'...or > > >> > > > rather > > >> > > > > > > > westernised world.....are there concepts of radicalised > > >> > > > individuality > > >> > > > > > > > in the oriental philosophy..... need your opoinions > fellows > > > > >> > > > > > > -- > > >> > > > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > >> > > > > -- > > >> > > > > \--/ Peace > > > > >> > > -- > > >> > > \--/ Peace- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > \--/ Peace > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
