Oh, I take almost *all* writings ‘with a grain of salt’ Allan. I give a critical eye to those who present their opinions about others who have actually done some research too!
However, in the particular, the majority of the first part of Peter’s book is but a compilation of the available written history about the Pyramid. The middle part about its probable use as an observatory is only one of the countless possibilities presented about its possible function. I read this part with a skeptical eye. And, even with this skepticism found that the physical structure actually supports this particular theory and is used as the main source for this possible use. Here I’m talking about exact measurements including comparisons of measurements previously made at different points of time during its continual decline. The other sections about its construction, how the passages were plugged etc. too are presented using only its own physical shape and measurements as primary evidence. Admittedly, this is the part where projected understandings can be involved as is the case with most things. Yet, assuming the very carefully documented measurements are all accurate (I haven’t personally measured them.), what he presents is very persuasive. Very! The one chapter about ‘Secret Initiation’ is mostly speculation and is presented as such. This is the part I said that I personally wish were the case but need not be at all. A list of the contents was found in my previous post. Without going into depth, there are many scholarly papers about the ancient Egyptians and astronomy too. See: http://roger.homelinux.org/temp/40000577.pdf for but one. As an aside, about 35 years ago or so while browsing in a University library in Mississippi, I ran across a handful of oversized books that were almost entirely photographs. One of these books included photos of most parts of the Temple at Karnack (biggest temple in Egypt, built over 1,300 years and whose area is said to be the largest ancient religious site in the world). Besides the fascinating drawings found there like the vault with the Sky Goddess, Nut depicted over its entire ceiling, there was one room with an entry at both ends and it had what can only be called a moat around all four sides with a central area … all carved out of stone. I’ve never seen a room like this and can only project its possible use. However, I will note that it doesn’t come up readily when one Googles Luxor. Again, I’m not attempting to be evangelical here. I only suggest that prior to rejecting some of the well documented scientific findings about such ancient things out of hand based upon a few people’s written opinions of those who present them…like Tompkins, to look a little further personally. One simple current day ‘test’ of such things often can be found at Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Great-Pyramid-Peter-Tompkins/dp/0883659573 Here critics from all walks of life review other people’s words. The average, nay, even the vast majority of the reviews in this particular case differ from what you have apparently read Allan. Anecdotally, an acquaintance of mine who is a trained, degreed archaeologist and has visited the areas in question holds similar views. Even though we both have studied hieroglyphics (and both reject Budge’s interpretations equally), we remain open minded…just have reached certain conclusions based upon what evidence we have found so far. So, in conclusion, "fact"?... "fiction"?... "fantasy"? Yes, all are possible. I appreciate all three and do my best at differentiating between them. 'Fame'?, 'Fortune'?... yes, both can be motivators for being 'creative' in a deceptive way. Yet, I don't automatically assign such untruthful attributes to all authors.... most of whom clearly must possess a tad of the drive for both ... fame & fortune. On Apr 17, 1:28 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > I think there are groups of people who read into things (in the broadest > sense) to fit their theories. Over the years people have given > it mystical powers far beyond reality,, mixing fact with fiction and > fantasy. > > the truth be known the writings of Peter Tompkins need to be taken with a > grain of salt ,, They may be interesting reading,, from what I read of his > writings they were done for fame and fortune. > Allan > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 2:04 PM, ornamentalmind > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In an attempt at returning to the original topic: > > > “what does evryone think about the great pyramid , what was its > > purpose , why no hylogriphics, EVRY tumb other than the great > > pyramid > > has hylogriphics “ - TTS > > > There are numerous beliefs and theories about the Pyramid of Cheops. > > Personally, I didn’t feel that grounded in any of them until I read > > Peter Tompkins’ book, “Secrets of the Great Pyramid”. One can find > > much about this book online. Just as an overview, here is a list of > > its contents: > >http://greatpyramid.org/aip/tompkins.htm > > > While one can argue that *any* belief about it is but a personal > > projection of some sort, the physical correspondences found with the > > pyramid associated with the mathematics presented as being what was > > being codified in stone (also presented in an earlier link I provided > > in this topic), seem to be the very best explanation grounded in > > *rational* thinking I’ve found. > > > Now, on a personal note, I’ve heard different mystical stories about > > how it was used for self advancement that I would like to believe are > > true; however, the evidence just isn’t there and the associated ideas > > do not need the existence of that specific physical structure to be of > > note either. > > > Over the decades that I’ve studied this particular structure, the > > ideas about who and how it was built have evolved from the long > > standing use of ‘slaves’ and a lack of clarity as to how it could have > > been built to a fairly clear and backed by engineers and historians > > view of an entire culture supporting the vision and working on it…not > > as slaves but as willing and actually deeply involved participants. > > Again, the archeological evidence points to well kept people living in > > a fairly comfortable setting under the given conditions as well as > > being fed well and consideration given to family ties too…all striving > > to produce/manifest this one great vision. > > > Yes, there were slaves in Egypt. No, the workforce for the pyramid was > > not even mostly comprised of slaves. > > > As to the apparent lack of hieroglyphics, there are numerous stories > > about some having existed in the past. However, here again, they are > > but stories. From Tompkins’ book (listed above) we find the following: > > > “…What the Great Pyramid looked like when it was completed, or even > > for the first one or two millennia thereafter, is not recorded in > > history. No description of the Pyramid has survived in the Egyptian > > texts. Legends have it painted in various colors, marked with designs > > and inscribed with symbols The thirteenth-century Arab historian, Abd- > > al-Latif, says the Pyramid was once inscribed with unintelligible > > characters in inscriptions so numerous they would fill ten thousand > > pages: his colleagues assumed them to be the graffiti of myriads of > > ancient tourists > > The first eyewitness descriptions from classical authors are pitifully > > sparse. Thales, the father of Greek geometry, who visited the pyramid > > sometime in the sixth century BC., is reputed to have astounded its > > Egyptian guardians with a correct computation of its height by > > measuring its shadow at the time of day when its own shadow was equal > > to his height. Unfortunately he left no detailed description of his > > visit > > The works of other classical authors known to have written about the > > Pyramid, such as Euhermerus, Duris of Samos, Aristagoras, Antisthenes, > > Demetrius of Phaleron, Demoteles, Artemidorus of Ephesus, Dionysius of > > Halicarnassus, Alexander Polyhistor, Butoridas, and Apion are all > > lost, and survive only in fragmented quotation…” > > > On Apr 14, 1:13 pm, malcymo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What level of health care? > > > > Malc > > > > On Apr 14, 8:33 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > the builders of the pyramids were never slaves. as matter fact they > > also > > > > had health care. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 2:55 PM, DarkwaterBlight > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > Alan, > > > > > I would be greatful if you could site this "proof" that the so called > > > > > "slaves" were paid for thier labor. Somwhat of a contradiction in > > > > > terms whe slaves and payment are used, no? > > > > > > On Apr 13, 5:59 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > India and Egypt are two different worlds and cultures.. It has > > been > > > > > proven > > > > > > that the builders of the pyramids were paid and even had unions. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:30 AM, malcymo <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > I have just returned from Rajeshtan and the builders of the great > > > > > > > forts in that area employed many slaves for many years in their > > > > > > > endeavor. > > > > > > > > On Apr 13, 4:20 am, Chuck Bowling < > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I think the great pyramid was a tomb built by an egyptian > > god-king > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > way over inflated ego who felt that it was his right to work > > slaves > > > > > to > > > > > > > death > > > > > > > > to build a monument to his passing. As with most politicians, > > the > > > > > > > pharoahs > > > > > > > > thought way too much of themselves. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 6:21 AM, the taoist shaman < > > > > > [email protected]>wrote:> > > > > > > > what does evryone think about the great pyramid , what was its > > > > > > > > > purpose , why no hylogriphics, EVRY tumb other than the > > great > > > > > pyramid > > > > > > > > > has hylogriphics , > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ( > > > > > > ) > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
