Come on Orn I know I live in europe now, The effect of spin and promotion are blatant in the US and it is effective because of spin and promotion are highly visible , you are surrounded by it day in and day out.. beliefs are promoted by spin and promotion especially in the USA to the point of if you can not see what is happening I really feel sorry for you. Allan
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:11 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote: > How can Unity be 'controlled by spin and promotion'? > > On Apr 17, 11:53 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > ahh Sherif we do not get much time to talk ,, other topic are more > > pressing but he never fails to bring me cookies (traditional fancy type > hm > > m good, lip smacking type) > > > > I think every generation has an understand of unity, unfortunately today > it > > is controlled by spin and promotion. > > Allan > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, ornamentalmind < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > Allan, again we agree on the apparent lack of practicality when it > > > comes to ancient Egyptian religious practices and their use today. > > > I've heard it said that they clearly knew 'the Unity' and by most > > > standards, this appears to have been the case. > > > > > So, of what 'use' is their theology today...very little that I can see > > > too. > > > > > Their use of math and trig and a possible observatory was a new and > > > unique presentation for me and one that I greatly appreciated. Is this > > > actually what the Great Pyramid was used for?...no, I don't know for > > > sure either. It just looks like a very good possibility... based on > > > the physical evidence. > > > > > Perhaps you would share some stories about Sherif here some day? It > > > might be of interest to many... > > > > > On Apr 17, 9:42 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Well Orn > > > > The greatest answer I have ever heard is 'I don't know.' > > > > I looked into the Egyptian 'spirituality?' many years ago and found > it > > > for > > > > me to be of very little value. > > > > > > I know Egypt has been photographed every which way but loose so > finding > > > them > > > > really does not surprise me. american universities are well known > for > > > their > > > > research .. and there are always possibilities. The acid test for > me > > > comes > > > > down to of what real value does it have for me today? Sadly for me > these > > > > wild and fantasy ideas that are being promoted lack real substance. > but > > > to > > > > each his own. > > > > > > as for your amazon reference.. I am looking at the few books I keep > in > > > my > > > > desk I see one that I have had for years ,, actually I have two > copies of > > > > it,, memory tells me I paid $4.95 for each copy which normally sold > for > > > > $12.95 recently a person asked me about it,, and the amazon price > used > > > is > > > > $150.oo . Today it is even on line and now has a whole cult > following.. > > > > When it comes to books prices all I can say is a fool and his money > is > > > soon > > > > parted and looking it ,, now it has been photocopied on line. > > > > > > if I really want to get down into the Egyptian thing I Ii will sit > down > > > and > > > > discuss it with my friend Sherif over coffee. > > > > > > There are people whose knowledge and wisdom really dazzle me.. mean > > > while > > > > 'I don't know.' > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > Oh, I take almost *all* writings ‘with a grain of salt’ Allan. I > give > > > > > a critical eye to those who present their opinions about others who > > > > > have actually done some research too! > > > > > > > However, in the particular, the majority of the first part of > Peter’s > > > > > book is but a compilation of the available written history about > the > > > > > Pyramid. The middle part about its probable use as an observatory > is > > > > > only one of the countless possibilities presented about its > possible > > > > > function. I read this part with a skeptical eye. And, even with > this > > > > > skepticism found that the physical structure actually supports this > > > > > particular theory and is used as the main source for this possible > > > > > use. Here I’m talking about exact measurements including > comparisons > > > > > of measurements previously made at different points of time during > its > > > > > continual decline. > > > > > > > The other sections about its construction, how the passages were > > > > > plugged etc. too are presented using only its own physical shape > and > > > > > measurements as primary evidence. Admittedly, this is the part > where > > > > > projected understandings can be involved as is the case with most > > > > > things. Yet, assuming the very carefully documented measurements > are > > > > > all accurate (I haven’t personally measured them.), what he > presents > > > > > is very persuasive. Very! > > > > > > > The one chapter about ‘Secret Initiation’ is mostly speculation and > is > > > > > presented as such. This is the part I said that I personally wish > were > > > > > the case but need not be at all. > > > > > > > A list of the contents was found in my previous post. > > > > > > > Without going into depth, there are many scholarly papers about the > > > > > ancient Egyptians and astronomy too. See: > > > > >http://roger.homelinux.org/temp/40000577.pdf > > > > > for but one. > > > > > > > As an aside, about 35 years ago or so while browsing in a > University > > > > > library in Mississippi, I ran across a handful of oversized books > that > > > > > were almost entirely photographs. One of these books included > photos > > > > > of most parts of the Temple at Karnack (biggest temple in Egypt, > built > > > > > over 1,300 years and whose area is said to be the largest ancient > > > > > religious site in the world). > > > > > > > Besides the fascinating drawings found there like the vault with > the > > > > > Sky Goddess, Nut depicted over its entire ceiling, there was one > room > > > > > with an entry at both ends and it had what can only be called a > moat > > > > > around all four sides with a central area … all carved out of > stone. > > > > > I’ve never seen a room like this and can only project its possible > > > > > use. However, I will note that it doesn’t come up readily when one > > > > > Googles Luxor. > > > > > > > Again, I’m not attempting to be evangelical here. I only suggest > that > > > > > prior to rejecting some of the well documented scientific findings > > > > > about such ancient things out of hand based upon a few people’s > > > > > written opinions of those who present them…like Tompkins, to look a > > > > > little further personally. > > > > > > > One simple current day ‘test’ of such things often can be found at > > > > > Amazon. > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Great-Pyramid-Peter-Tompkins/dp/0883659573 > > > > > > > Here critics from all walks of life review other people’s words. > The > > > > > average, nay, even the vast majority of the reviews in this > particular > > > > > case differ from what you have apparently read Allan. > > > > > > > Anecdotally, an acquaintance of mine who is a trained, degreed > > > > > archaeologist and has visited the areas in question holds similar > > > > > views. Even though we both have studied hieroglyphics (and both > reject > > > > > Budge’s interpretations equally), we remain open minded…just have > > > > > reached certain conclusions based upon what evidence we have found > so > > > > > far. > > > > > > > So, in conclusion, "fact"?... "fiction"?... "fantasy"? Yes, all are > > > > > possible. I appreciate all three and do my best at differentiating > > > > > between them. 'Fame'?, 'Fortune'?... yes, both can be motivators > for > > > > > being 'creative' in a deceptive way. Yet, I don't automatically > assign > > > > > such untruthful attributes to all authors.... most of whom clearly > > > > > must possess a tad of the drive for both ... fame & fortune. > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 1:28 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I think there are groups of people who read into things (in the > > > broadest > > > > > > sense) to fit their theories. Over the years people have given > > > > > > it mystical powers far beyond reality,, mixing fact with fiction > and > > > > > > fantasy. > > > > > > > > the truth be known the writings of Peter Tompkins need to be > taken > > > with a > > > > > > grain of salt ,, They may be interesting reading,, from what I > read > > > of > > > > > his > > > > > > writings they were done for fame and fortune. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 2:04 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > In an attempt at returning to the original topic: > > > > > > > > > “what does evryone think about the great pyramid , what was its > > > > > > > purpose , why no hylogriphics, EVRY tumb other than the great > > > > > > > pyramid > > > > > > > has hylogriphics “ - TTS > > > > > > > > > There are numerous beliefs and theories about the Pyramid of > > > Cheops. > > > > > > > Personally, I didn’t feel that grounded in any of them until I > read > > > > > > > Peter Tompkins’ book, “Secrets of the Great Pyramid”. One can > find > > > > > > > much about this book online. Just as an overview, here is a > list of > > > > > > > its contents: > > > > > > >http://greatpyramid.org/aip/tompkins.htm > > > > > > > > > While one can argue that *any* belief about it is but a > personal > > > > > > > projection of some sort, the physical correspondences found > with > > > the > > > > > > > pyramid associated with the mathematics presented as being what > was > > > > > > > being codified in stone (also presented in an earlier link I > > > provided > > > > > > > in this topic), seem to be the very best explanation grounded > in > > > > > > > *rational* thinking I’ve found. > > > > > > > > > Now, on a personal note, I’ve heard different mystical stories > > > about > > > > > > > how it was used for self advancement that I would like to > believe > > > are > > > > > > > true; however, the evidence just isn’t there and the associated > > > ideas > > > > > > > do not need the existence of that specific physical structure > to be > > > of > > > > > > > note either. > > > > > > > > > Over the decades that I’ve studied this particular structure, > the > > > > > > > ideas about who and how it was built have evolved from the long > > > > > > > standing use of ‘slaves’ and a lack of clarity as to how it > could > > > have > > > > > > > been built to a fairly clear and backed by engineers and > historians > > > > > > > view of an entire culture supporting the vision and working on > > > it…not > > > > > > > as slaves but as willing and actually deeply involved > participants. > > > > > > > Again, the archeological evidence points to well kept people > living > > > in > > > > > > > a fairly comfortable setting under the given conditions as well > as > > > > > > > being fed well and consideration given to family ties too…all > > > striving > > > > > > > to produce/manifest this one great vision. > > > > > > > > > Yes, there > > > > ... > > > > read more » -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
