will not get into that problem because it would appear to be an personal attack on individuals beliefs.. if you are wondering further look into the things you have promoted on minds eye -- the source of which is often falls into both categories.
And speaking of personal attacks why is Gabby banned? Allan On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:22 AM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote: > Yes allan, there is spin and promotion all over the US...I just was > wondering exactly what type you were referring to associated with > Unity...I still don't know. > > On Apr 18, 1:30 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Come on Orn I know I live in europe now, The effect of spin and > promotion > > are blatant in the US and it is effective because of spin and promotion > are > > highly visible , you are surrounded by it day in and day out.. beliefs > are > > promoted by spin and promotion especially in the USA to the point of if > you > > can not see what is happening I really feel sorry for you. > > Allan > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:11 PM, ornamentalmind > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can Unity be 'controlled by spin and promotion'? > > > > > On Apr 17, 11:53 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > ahh Sherif we do not get much time to talk ,, other topic are more > > > > pressing but he never fails to bring me cookies (traditional fancy > type > > > hm > > > > m good, lip smacking type) > > > > > > I think every generation has an understand of unity, unfortunately > today > > > it > > > > is controlled by spin and promotion. > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, ornamentalmind < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Allan, again we agree on the apparent lack of practicality when it > > > > > comes to ancient Egyptian religious practices and their use today. > > > > > I've heard it said that they clearly knew 'the Unity' and by most > > > > > standards, this appears to have been the case. > > > > > > > So, of what 'use' is their theology today...very little that I can > see > > > > > too. > > > > > > > Their use of math and trig and a possible observatory was a new and > > > > > unique presentation for me and one that I greatly appreciated. Is > this > > > > > actually what the Great Pyramid was used for?...no, I don't know > for > > > > > sure either. It just looks like a very good possibility... based on > > > > > the physical evidence. > > > > > > > Perhaps you would share some stories about Sherif here some day? It > > > > > might be of interest to many... > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 9:42 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Well Orn > > > > > > The greatest answer I have ever heard is 'I don't know.' > > > > > > I looked into the Egyptian 'spirituality?' many years ago and > found > > > it > > > > > for > > > > > > me to be of very little value. > > > > > > > > I know Egypt has been photographed every which way but loose so > > > finding > > > > > them > > > > > > really does not surprise me. american universities are well > known > > > for > > > > > their > > > > > > research .. and there are always possibilities. The acid test > for > > > me > > > > > comes > > > > > > down to of what real value does it have for me today? Sadly for > me > > > these > > > > > > wild and fantasy ideas that are being promoted lack real > substance. > > > but > > > > > to > > > > > > each his own. > > > > > > > > as for your amazon reference.. I am looking at the few books I > keep > > > in > > > > > my > > > > > > desk I see one that I have had for years ,, actually I have two > > > copies of > > > > > > it,, memory tells me I paid $4.95 for each copy which normally > sold > > > for > > > > > > $12.95 recently a person asked me about it,, and the amazon > price > > > used > > > > > is > > > > > > $150.oo . Today it is even on line and now has a whole cult > > > following.. > > > > > > When it comes to books prices all I can say is a fool and his > money > > > is > > > > > soon > > > > > > parted and looking it ,, now it has been photocopied on line. > > > > > > > > if I really want to get down into the Egyptian thing I Ii will > sit > > > down > > > > > and > > > > > > discuss it with my friend Sherif over coffee. > > > > > > > > There are people whose knowledge and wisdom really dazzle me.. > mean > > > > > while > > > > > > 'I don't know.' > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Oh, I take almost *all* writings ‘with a grain of salt’ Allan. > I > > > give > > > > > > > a critical eye to those who present their opinions about others > who > > > > > > > have actually done some research too! > > > > > > > > > However, in the particular, the majority of the first part of > > > Peter’s > > > > > > > book is but a compilation of the available written history > about > > > the > > > > > > > Pyramid. The middle part about its probable use as an > observatory > > > is > > > > > > > only one of the countless possibilities presented about its > > > possible > > > > > > > function. I read this part with a skeptical eye. And, even with > > > this > > > > > > > skepticism found that the physical structure actually supports > this > > > > > > > particular theory and is used as the main source for this > possible > > > > > > > use. Here I’m talking about exact measurements including > > > comparisons > > > > > > > of measurements previously made at different points of time > during > > > its > > > > > > > continual decline. > > > > > > > > > The other sections about its construction, how the passages > were > > > > > > > plugged etc. too are presented using only its own physical > shape > > > and > > > > > > > measurements as primary evidence. Admittedly, this is the part > > > where > > > > > > > projected understandings can be involved as is the case with > most > > > > > > > things. Yet, assuming the very carefully documented > measurements > > > are > > > > > > > all accurate (I haven’t personally measured them.), what he > > > presents > > > > > > > is very persuasive. Very! > > > > > > > > > The one chapter about ‘Secret Initiation’ is mostly speculation > and > > > is > > > > > > > presented as such. This is the part I said that I personally > wish > > > were > > > > > > > the case but need not be at all. > > > > > > > > > A list of the contents was found in my previous post. > > > > > > > > > Without going into depth, there are many scholarly papers about > the > > > > > > > ancient Egyptians and astronomy too. See: > > > > > > >http://roger.homelinux.org/temp/40000577.pdf > > > > > > > for but one. > > > > > > > > > As an aside, about 35 years ago or so while browsing in a > > > University > > > > > > > library in Mississippi, I ran across a handful of oversized > books > > > that > > > > > > > were almost entirely photographs. One of these books included > > > photos > > > > > > > of most parts of the Temple at Karnack (biggest temple in > Egypt, > > > built > > > > > > > over 1,300 years and whose area is said to be the largest > ancient > > > > > > > religious site in the world). > > > > > > > > > Besides the fascinating drawings found there like the vault > with > > > the > > > > > > > Sky Goddess, Nut depicted over its entire ceiling, there was > one > > > room > > > > > > > with an entry at both ends and it had what can only be called a > > > moat > > > > > > > around all four sides with a central area … all carved out of > > > stone. > > > > > > > I’ve never seen a room like this and can only project its > possible > > > > > > > use. However, I will note that it doesn’t come up readily when > one > > > > > > > Googles Luxor. > > > > > > > > > Again, I’m not attempting to be evangelical here. I only > suggest > > > that > > > > > > > prior to rejecting some of the well documented scientific > findings > > > > > > > about such ancient things out of hand based upon a few people’s > > > > > > > written opinions of those who present them…like Tompkins, to > look a > > > > > > > little further personally. > > > > > > > > > One simple current day ‘test’ of such things often can be found > at > > > > > > > Amazon. > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Great-Pyramid-Peter-Tompkins/dp/0883659573 > > > > > > > > > Here critics from all walks of life review other people’s > words. > > > The > > > > > > > average, nay, even the vast majority of the reviews in this > > > particular > > > > > > > case differ from what you have apparently read Allan. > > > > > > > > > Anecdotally, an acquaintance of mine who is a trained, degreed > > > > > > > archaeologist and has visited the areas in question holds > similar > > > > > > > views. Even though we both have studied hieroglyphics (and both > > > reject > > > > > > > Budge’s interpretations equally), we remain open minded…just > have > > > > > > > reached certain conclusions based upon what evidence we have > found > > > so > > > > > > > far. > > > > > > > > > So, in conclusion, "fact"?... "fiction"?... "fantasy"? Yes, all > are > > > > > > > possible. I appreciate all three and do my best at > differentiating > > > > > > > between them. 'Fame'?, 'Fortune'?... yes, both can be > motivators > > > for > > > > > > > being 'creative' in a deceptive way. Yet, I don't automatically > > > assign > > > > > > > such untruthful attributes to all authors.... most of whom > clearly > > > > > > > must possess a tad of the drive for both ... fame & fortune. > > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 1:28 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I think there are groups of people who read into things (in > the > > > > > broadest > > > > > > > > sense) to fit their theories. Over the years people have > given > > > > > > > > it mystical powers far beyond reality,, mixing fact with > fiction > > > and > > > > > > > > fantasy. > > > > > > > > > > the truth be known the writings of Peter Tompkins need to be > > > taken > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > grain of salt ,, They may be interesting reading,, from what > I > > > read > > > > > of > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > writings they were done for fame and fortune. > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 2:04 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In an attempt at returning to the original topic: > > > > > > > > > > > “what does evryone think about the great pyramid , what was > its > > > > > > > > > purpose , why no hylogriphics, EVRY tumb other than the > great > > > > > > > > > pyramid > > > > > > > > > has hylogriphics “ - TTS > > > > > > > > > > > There are numerous beliefs and theories about the Pyramid > of > > > > > Cheops. > > > > > > > > > Personally, I didn’t feel that grounded in any of them > until I > > > read > > > > > > > > > Peter Tompkins’ book, “Secrets of the Great Pyramid”. One > can > > > find > > > > > > > > > much about this book online. Just as an overview, here is a > > > list of > > > > > > > > > its contents: > > > > > > > > >http://greatpyramid.org/aip/tompkins.htm > > > > > > > > > > > While one can argue that *any* belief about it is but a > > > personal > > > > > > > > > projection of some sort, the physical correspondences found > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > pyramid associated with the mathematics presented as being > what > > > was > > > > > > > > > being codified in stone (also presented in an > > > > ... > > > > read more » -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
