OK, let’s be precise gabby: You have been voted upon being at the very least put on moderation by the moderators on more than one occasion that I know of.
So far, on each vote I supported you. If that is ‘spinning this group’ for my own purpose, I’ll be glad to change! ;-) On Apr 19, 11:21 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > Let's try to be precise, shall we, orn? > > These are the facts from my point of view in chronological order: > From what I hear I got banned from this group a couple of years ago by > chance or by accident, whichever way you like it, or by a Google bug > for the animal friends here. Craig checked and resolved the issue > after I asked him. After that incident I only had minor technical > trouble accessing this site and only at times when others had the same > trouble. Nothing personal then, I assumed. But for the last weeks > things have changed. First time I couldn't directly access the website > I thought it was a bug again. And I asked the moderators to resolve > the issue. It was Chris whom I asked via facebook, who set me off > moderation again. Only a short time later I perceived time lag in > posting again. I started the "behind the leg" thread to find out what > was going on this time and found out that I was being set on > moderation again. This time I asked Chris openly on facebook to help > me. And he did. I could directly post to the website again. Until a > couple of days ago my starter posting for a new thread got banned/got > deleted/was being made to disappear/got cleaned from the group's > website. First time this happened to me. In this posting I reminded > orn that I was still waiting for an answer (to explain why I was being > set on moderation in the last weeks by probably him). I sent out a > copy of the deleted thread starting posting to the present ME posters. > And he did not reply again. > > My interpretation: > Reading the post that he was making here only minutes after he > presumably deleted mine, tells me that his postings follow a conscious > agenda. An agenda that in practice subdues others. If that is how > spinning is defined then he is spinning this group for his very own > purpose, yes. > > On 19 Apr., 15:21, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > So Allan, mentioning a book that I found to be interesting that was on > > topic to this thread is something you consider to be 'promoting'?....I > > agree that there is 'spin' in the sense that it along with about > > everything in print includes some sort of subjective bent...and have > > said so from the very start. > > > I'm not sure what sort of 'personal attacks' you see involved with > > gabby unless it would be her ongoing and tenacious trolling. I just > > checked the settings and she isn't banned. I hear that she was banned > > once many years ago and more recently along with many other members, > > me included, when Google had bugs and got her settings changed. > > > So, yes, it would 'appear to be an personal attack...' > > > On Apr 18, 11:41 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > will not get into that problem because it would appear to be an personal > > > attack on individuals beliefs.. if you are wondering further look into > > > the > > > things you have promoted on minds eye -- the source of which is often > > > falls into both categories. > > > > And speaking of personal attacks why is Gabby banned? > > > Allan > > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:22 AM, ornamentalmind > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Yes allan, there is spin and promotion all over the US...I just was > > > > wondering exactly what type you were referring to associated with > > > > Unity...I still don't know. > > > > > On Apr 18, 1:30 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Come on Orn I know I live in europe now, The effect of spin and > > > > promotion > > > > > are blatant in the US and it is effective because of spin and > > > > > promotion > > > > are > > > > > highly visible , you are surrounded by it day in and day out.. beliefs > > > > are > > > > > promoted by spin and promotion especially in the USA to the point of > > > > > if > > > > you > > > > > can not see what is happening I really feel sorry for you. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:11 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > How can Unity be 'controlled by spin and promotion'? > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 11:53 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > ahh Sherif we do not get much time to talk ,, other topic are > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > pressing but he never fails to bring me cookies (traditional > > > > > > > fancy > > > > type > > > > > > hm > > > > > > > m good, lip smacking type) > > > > > > > > I think every generation has an understand of unity, > > > > > > > unfortunately > > > > today > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is controlled by spin and promotion. > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, ornamentalmind < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Allan, again we agree on the apparent lack of practicality when > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > comes to ancient Egyptian religious practices and their use > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > I've heard it said that they clearly knew 'the Unity' and by > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > standards, this appears to have been the case. > > > > > > > > > So, of what 'use' is their theology today...very little that I > > > > > > > > can > > > > see > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > Their use of math and trig and a possible observatory was a new > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > unique presentation for me and one that I greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Is > > > > this > > > > > > > > actually what the Great Pyramid was used for?...no, I don't know > > > > for > > > > > > > > sure either. It just looks like a very good possibility... > > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > the physical evidence. > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you would share some stories about Sherif here some > > > > > > > > day? It > > > > > > > > might be of interest to many... > > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 9:42 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well Orn > > > > > > > > > The greatest answer I have ever heard is 'I don't know.' > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Egyptian 'spirituality?' many years ago and > > > > found > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > me to be of very little value. > > > > > > > > > > I know Egypt has been photographed every which way but loose > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > finding > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > really does not surprise me. american universities are well > > > > known > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > research .. and there are always possibilities. The acid > > > > > > > > > test > > > > for > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > down to of what real value does it have for me today? Sadly > > > > > > > > > for > > > > me > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > wild and fantasy ideas that are being promoted lack real > > > > substance. > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > each his own. > > > > > > > > > > as for your amazon reference.. I am looking at the few books > > > > > > > > > I > > > > keep > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > desk I see one that I have had for years ,, actually I have > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > copies of > > > > > > > > > it,, memory tells me I paid $4.95 for each copy which normally > > > > sold > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > $12.95 recently a person asked me about it,, and the amazon > > > > price > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > $150.oo . Today it is even on line and now has a whole cult > > > > > > following.. > > > > > > > > > When it comes to books prices all I can say is a fool and his > > > > money > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > soon > > > > > > > > > parted and looking it ,, now it has been photocopied on line. > > > > > > > > > > if I really want to get down into the Egyptian thing I Ii will > > > > sit > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > discuss it with my friend Sherif over coffee. > > > > > > > > > > There are people whose knowledge and wisdom really dazzle me.. > > > > mean > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > 'I don't know.' > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I take almost *all* writings ‘with a grain of salt’ > > > > > > > > > > Allan. > > > > I > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > a critical eye to those who present their opinions about > > > > > > > > > > others > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > have actually done some research too! > > > > > > > > > > > However, in the particular, the majority of the first part > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > Peter’s > > > > > > > > > > book is but a compilation of the available written history > > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Pyramid. The middle part about its probable use as an > > > > observatory > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > only one of the countless possibilities presented about its > > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > > function. I read this part with a skeptical eye. And, even > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > skepticism found that the physical structure actually > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > particular theory and is used as the main source for this > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > > use. Here I’m talking about exact measurements including > > > > > > comparisons > > > > > > > > > > of measurements previously made at different points of time > > > > during > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > continual decline. > > > > > > > > > > > The other sections about its construction, how the passages > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > plugged etc. too are presented using only its own physical > > > > shape > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > measurements as primary evidence. Admittedly, this is the > > > > > > > > > > part > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > projected understandings can be involved as is the case with > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > things. Yet, assuming the very carefully documented > > > > measurements > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > all accurate (I haven’t personally measured them.), what he > > > > > > presents > > > > > > > > > > is very persuasive. Very! > > > > > > > > > > > The one chapter about ‘Secret Initiation’ is mostly > > > > > > > > > > speculation > > > > and > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > presented as such. This is the part I said that I personally > > > > wish > > > > > > were > > ... > > read more »
