Yes allan, there is spin and promotion all over the US...I just was wondering exactly what type you were referring to associated with Unity...I still don't know.
On Apr 18, 1:30 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Come on Orn I know I live in europe now, The effect of spin and promotion > are blatant in the US and it is effective because of spin and promotion are > highly visible , you are surrounded by it day in and day out.. beliefs are > promoted by spin and promotion especially in the USA to the point of if you > can not see what is happening I really feel sorry for you. > Allan > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:11 PM, ornamentalmind > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > How can Unity be 'controlled by spin and promotion'? > > > On Apr 17, 11:53 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > ahh Sherif we do not get much time to talk ,, other topic are more > > > pressing but he never fails to bring me cookies (traditional fancy type > > hm > > > m good, lip smacking type) > > > > I think every generation has an understand of unity, unfortunately today > > it > > > is controlled by spin and promotion. > > > Allan > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, ornamentalmind < > > [email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > Allan, again we agree on the apparent lack of practicality when it > > > > comes to ancient Egyptian religious practices and their use today. > > > > I've heard it said that they clearly knew 'the Unity' and by most > > > > standards, this appears to have been the case. > > > > > So, of what 'use' is their theology today...very little that I can see > > > > too. > > > > > Their use of math and trig and a possible observatory was a new and > > > > unique presentation for me and one that I greatly appreciated. Is this > > > > actually what the Great Pyramid was used for?...no, I don't know for > > > > sure either. It just looks like a very good possibility... based on > > > > the physical evidence. > > > > > Perhaps you would share some stories about Sherif here some day? It > > > > might be of interest to many... > > > > > On Apr 17, 9:42 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Well Orn > > > > > The greatest answer I have ever heard is 'I don't know.' > > > > > I looked into the Egyptian 'spirituality?' many years ago and found > > it > > > > for > > > > > me to be of very little value. > > > > > > I know Egypt has been photographed every which way but loose so > > finding > > > > them > > > > > really does not surprise me. american universities are well known > > for > > > > their > > > > > research .. and there are always possibilities. The acid test for > > me > > > > comes > > > > > down to of what real value does it have for me today? Sadly for me > > these > > > > > wild and fantasy ideas that are being promoted lack real substance. > > but > > > > to > > > > > each his own. > > > > > > as for your amazon reference.. I am looking at the few books I keep > > in > > > > my > > > > > desk I see one that I have had for years ,, actually I have two > > copies of > > > > > it,, memory tells me I paid $4.95 for each copy which normally sold > > for > > > > > $12.95 recently a person asked me about it,, and the amazon price > > used > > > > is > > > > > $150.oo . Today it is even on line and now has a whole cult > > following.. > > > > > When it comes to books prices all I can say is a fool and his money > > is > > > > soon > > > > > parted and looking it ,, now it has been photocopied on line. > > > > > > if I really want to get down into the Egyptian thing I Ii will sit > > down > > > > and > > > > > discuss it with my friend Sherif over coffee. > > > > > > There are people whose knowledge and wisdom really dazzle me.. mean > > > > while > > > > > 'I don't know.' > > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > Oh, I take almost *all* writings ‘with a grain of salt’ Allan. I > > give > > > > > > a critical eye to those who present their opinions about others who > > > > > > have actually done some research too! > > > > > > > However, in the particular, the majority of the first part of > > Peter’s > > > > > > book is but a compilation of the available written history about > > the > > > > > > Pyramid. The middle part about its probable use as an observatory > > is > > > > > > only one of the countless possibilities presented about its > > possible > > > > > > function. I read this part with a skeptical eye. And, even with > > this > > > > > > skepticism found that the physical structure actually supports this > > > > > > particular theory and is used as the main source for this possible > > > > > > use. Here I’m talking about exact measurements including > > comparisons > > > > > > of measurements previously made at different points of time during > > its > > > > > > continual decline. > > > > > > > The other sections about its construction, how the passages were > > > > > > plugged etc. too are presented using only its own physical shape > > and > > > > > > measurements as primary evidence. Admittedly, this is the part > > where > > > > > > projected understandings can be involved as is the case with most > > > > > > things. Yet, assuming the very carefully documented measurements > > are > > > > > > all accurate (I haven’t personally measured them.), what he > > presents > > > > > > is very persuasive. Very! > > > > > > > The one chapter about ‘Secret Initiation’ is mostly speculation and > > is > > > > > > presented as such. This is the part I said that I personally wish > > were > > > > > > the case but need not be at all. > > > > > > > A list of the contents was found in my previous post. > > > > > > > Without going into depth, there are many scholarly papers about the > > > > > > ancient Egyptians and astronomy too. See: > > > > > >http://roger.homelinux.org/temp/40000577.pdf > > > > > > for but one. > > > > > > > As an aside, about 35 years ago or so while browsing in a > > University > > > > > > library in Mississippi, I ran across a handful of oversized books > > that > > > > > > were almost entirely photographs. One of these books included > > photos > > > > > > of most parts of the Temple at Karnack (biggest temple in Egypt, > > built > > > > > > over 1,300 years and whose area is said to be the largest ancient > > > > > > religious site in the world). > > > > > > > Besides the fascinating drawings found there like the vault with > > the > > > > > > Sky Goddess, Nut depicted over its entire ceiling, there was one > > room > > > > > > with an entry at both ends and it had what can only be called a > > moat > > > > > > around all four sides with a central area … all carved out of > > stone. > > > > > > I’ve never seen a room like this and can only project its possible > > > > > > use. However, I will note that it doesn’t come up readily when one > > > > > > Googles Luxor. > > > > > > > Again, I’m not attempting to be evangelical here. I only suggest > > that > > > > > > prior to rejecting some of the well documented scientific findings > > > > > > about such ancient things out of hand based upon a few people’s > > > > > > written opinions of those who present them…like Tompkins, to look a > > > > > > little further personally. > > > > > > > One simple current day ‘test’ of such things often can be found at > > > > > > Amazon. > > >http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Great-Pyramid-Peter-Tompkins/dp/0883659573 > > > > > > > Here critics from all walks of life review other people’s words. > > The > > > > > > average, nay, even the vast majority of the reviews in this > > particular > > > > > > case differ from what you have apparently read Allan. > > > > > > > Anecdotally, an acquaintance of mine who is a trained, degreed > > > > > > archaeologist and has visited the areas in question holds similar > > > > > > views. Even though we both have studied hieroglyphics (and both > > reject > > > > > > Budge’s interpretations equally), we remain open minded…just have > > > > > > reached certain conclusions based upon what evidence we have found > > so > > > > > > far. > > > > > > > So, in conclusion, "fact"?... "fiction"?... "fantasy"? Yes, all are > > > > > > possible. I appreciate all three and do my best at differentiating > > > > > > between them. 'Fame'?, 'Fortune'?... yes, both can be motivators > > for > > > > > > being 'creative' in a deceptive way. Yet, I don't automatically > > assign > > > > > > such untruthful attributes to all authors.... most of whom clearly > > > > > > must possess a tad of the drive for both ... fame & fortune. > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 1:28 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I think there are groups of people who read into things (in the > > > > broadest > > > > > > > sense) to fit their theories. Over the years people have given > > > > > > > it mystical powers far beyond reality,, mixing fact with fiction > > and > > > > > > > fantasy. > > > > > > > > the truth be known the writings of Peter Tompkins need to be > > taken > > > > with a > > > > > > > grain of salt ,, They may be interesting reading,, from what I > > read > > > > of > > > > > > his > > > > > > > writings they were done for fame and fortune. > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 2:04 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > In an attempt at returning to the original topic: > > > > > > > > > “what does evryone think about the great pyramid , what was its > > > > > > > > purpose , why no hylogriphics, EVRY tumb other than the great > > > > > > > > pyramid > > > > > > > > has hylogriphics “ - TTS > > > > > > > > > There are numerous beliefs and theories about the Pyramid of > > > > Cheops. > > > > > > > > Personally, I didn’t feel that grounded in any of them until I > > read > > > > > > > > Peter Tompkins’ book, “Secrets of the Great Pyramid”. One can > > find > > > > > > > > much about this book online. Just as an overview, here is a > > list of > > > > > > > > its contents: > > > > > > > >http://greatpyramid.org/aip/tompkins.htm > > > > > > > > > While one can argue that *any* belief about it is but a > > personal > > > > > > > > projection of some sort, the physical correspondences found > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > > pyramid associated with the mathematics presented as being what > > was > > > > > > > > being codified in stone (also presented in an > > ... > > read more »
