ahh Sherif we do not get much time to talk ,, other topic are more pressing but he never fails to bring me cookies (traditional fancy type hm m good, lip smacking type)
I think every generation has an understand of unity, unfortunately today it is controlled by spin and promotion. Allan On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, ornamentalmind <[email protected] > wrote: > Allan, again we agree on the apparent lack of practicality when it > comes to ancient Egyptian religious practices and their use today. > I've heard it said that they clearly knew 'the Unity' and by most > standards, this appears to have been the case. > > So, of what 'use' is their theology today...very little that I can see > too. > > Their use of math and trig and a possible observatory was a new and > unique presentation for me and one that I greatly appreciated. Is this > actually what the Great Pyramid was used for?...no, I don't know for > sure either. It just looks like a very good possibility... based on > the physical evidence. > > Perhaps you would share some stories about Sherif here some day? It > might be of interest to many... > > On Apr 17, 9:42 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well Orn > > The greatest answer I have ever heard is 'I don't know.' > > I looked into the Egyptian 'spirituality?' many years ago and found it > for > > me to be of very little value. > > > > I know Egypt has been photographed every which way but loose so finding > them > > really does not surprise me. american universities are well known for > their > > research .. and there are always possibilities. The acid test for me > comes > > down to of what real value does it have for me today? Sadly for me these > > wild and fantasy ideas that are being promoted lack real substance. but > to > > each his own. > > > > as for your amazon reference.. I am looking at the few books I keep in > my > > desk I see one that I have had for years ,, actually I have two copies of > > it,, memory tells me I paid $4.95 for each copy which normally sold for > > $12.95 recently a person asked me about it,, and the amazon price used > is > > $150.oo . Today it is even on line and now has a whole cult following.. > > When it comes to books prices all I can say is a fool and his money is > soon > > parted and looking it ,, now it has been photocopied on line. > > > > if I really want to get down into the Egyptian thing I Ii will sit down > and > > discuss it with my friend Sherif over coffee. > > > > There are people whose knowledge and wisdom really dazzle me.. mean > while > > 'I don't know.' > > Allan > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, ornamentalmind > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I take almost *all* writings ‘with a grain of salt’ Allan. I give > > > a critical eye to those who present their opinions about others who > > > have actually done some research too! > > > > > However, in the particular, the majority of the first part of Peter’s > > > book is but a compilation of the available written history about the > > > Pyramid. The middle part about its probable use as an observatory is > > > only one of the countless possibilities presented about its possible > > > function. I read this part with a skeptical eye. And, even with this > > > skepticism found that the physical structure actually supports this > > > particular theory and is used as the main source for this possible > > > use. Here I’m talking about exact measurements including comparisons > > > of measurements previously made at different points of time during its > > > continual decline. > > > > > The other sections about its construction, how the passages were > > > plugged etc. too are presented using only its own physical shape and > > > measurements as primary evidence. Admittedly, this is the part where > > > projected understandings can be involved as is the case with most > > > things. Yet, assuming the very carefully documented measurements are > > > all accurate (I haven’t personally measured them.), what he presents > > > is very persuasive. Very! > > > > > The one chapter about ‘Secret Initiation’ is mostly speculation and is > > > presented as such. This is the part I said that I personally wish were > > > the case but need not be at all. > > > > > A list of the contents was found in my previous post. > > > > > Without going into depth, there are many scholarly papers about the > > > ancient Egyptians and astronomy too. See: > > >http://roger.homelinux.org/temp/40000577.pdf > > > for but one. > > > > > As an aside, about 35 years ago or so while browsing in a University > > > library in Mississippi, I ran across a handful of oversized books that > > > were almost entirely photographs. One of these books included photos > > > of most parts of the Temple at Karnack (biggest temple in Egypt, built > > > over 1,300 years and whose area is said to be the largest ancient > > > religious site in the world). > > > > > Besides the fascinating drawings found there like the vault with the > > > Sky Goddess, Nut depicted over its entire ceiling, there was one room > > > with an entry at both ends and it had what can only be called a moat > > > around all four sides with a central area … all carved out of stone. > > > I’ve never seen a room like this and can only project its possible > > > use. However, I will note that it doesn’t come up readily when one > > > Googles Luxor. > > > > > Again, I’m not attempting to be evangelical here. I only suggest that > > > prior to rejecting some of the well documented scientific findings > > > about such ancient things out of hand based upon a few people’s > > > written opinions of those who present them…like Tompkins, to look a > > > little further personally. > > > > > One simple current day ‘test’ of such things often can be found at > > > Amazon. > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Great-Pyramid-Peter-Tompkins/dp/0883659573 > > > > > Here critics from all walks of life review other people’s words. The > > > average, nay, even the vast majority of the reviews in this particular > > > case differ from what you have apparently read Allan. > > > > > Anecdotally, an acquaintance of mine who is a trained, degreed > > > archaeologist and has visited the areas in question holds similar > > > views. Even though we both have studied hieroglyphics (and both reject > > > Budge’s interpretations equally), we remain open minded…just have > > > reached certain conclusions based upon what evidence we have found so > > > far. > > > > > So, in conclusion, "fact"?... "fiction"?... "fantasy"? Yes, all are > > > possible. I appreciate all three and do my best at differentiating > > > between them. 'Fame'?, 'Fortune'?... yes, both can be motivators for > > > being 'creative' in a deceptive way. Yet, I don't automatically assign > > > such untruthful attributes to all authors.... most of whom clearly > > > must possess a tad of the drive for both ... fame & fortune. > > > > > On Apr 17, 1:28 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I think there are groups of people who read into things (in the > broadest > > > > sense) to fit their theories. Over the years people have given > > > > it mystical powers far beyond reality,, mixing fact with fiction and > > > > fantasy. > > > > > > the truth be known the writings of Peter Tompkins need to be taken > with a > > > > grain of salt ,, They may be interesting reading,, from what I read > of > > > his > > > > writings they were done for fame and fortune. > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 2:04 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > In an attempt at returning to the original topic: > > > > > > > “what does evryone think about the great pyramid , what was its > > > > > purpose , why no hylogriphics, EVRY tumb other than the great > > > > > pyramid > > > > > has hylogriphics “ - TTS > > > > > > > There are numerous beliefs and theories about the Pyramid of > Cheops. > > > > > Personally, I didn’t feel that grounded in any of them until I read > > > > > Peter Tompkins’ book, “Secrets of the Great Pyramid”. One can find > > > > > much about this book online. Just as an overview, here is a list of > > > > > its contents: > > > > >http://greatpyramid.org/aip/tompkins.htm > > > > > > > While one can argue that *any* belief about it is but a personal > > > > > projection of some sort, the physical correspondences found with > the > > > > > pyramid associated with the mathematics presented as being what was > > > > > being codified in stone (also presented in an earlier link I > provided > > > > > in this topic), seem to be the very best explanation grounded in > > > > > *rational* thinking I’ve found. > > > > > > > Now, on a personal note, I’ve heard different mystical stories > about > > > > > how it was used for self advancement that I would like to believe > are > > > > > true; however, the evidence just isn’t there and the associated > ideas > > > > > do not need the existence of that specific physical structure to be > of > > > > > note either. > > > > > > > Over the decades that I’ve studied this particular structure, the > > > > > ideas about who and how it was built have evolved from the long > > > > > standing use of ‘slaves’ and a lack of clarity as to how it could > have > > > > > been built to a fairly clear and backed by engineers and historians > > > > > view of an entire culture supporting the vision and working on > it…not > > > > > as slaves but as willing and actually deeply involved participants. > > > > > Again, the archeological evidence points to well kept people living > in > > > > > a fairly comfortable setting under the given conditions as well as > > > > > being fed well and consideration given to family ties too…all > striving > > > > > to produce/manifest this one great vision. > > > > > > > Yes, there were slaves in Egypt. No, the workforce for the pyramid > was > > > > > not even mostly comprised of slaves. > > > > > > > As to the apparent lack of hieroglyphics, there are numerous > stories > > > > > about some having existed in the past. However, here again, they > are > > > > > but stories. From Tompkins’ book (listed above) we find the > following: > > > > > > > “…What the Great Pyramid looked like when it was completed, or even > > > > > for the first one or two millennia thereafter, is not recorded in > > > > > history. No description of the Pyramid has survived in the Egyptian > > > > > texts. Legends have it painted in various colors, marked with > designs > > > > > and inscribed with symbols The thirteenth-century Arab historian, > Abd- > > > > > al-Latif, says the Pyramid was once inscribed with unintelligible > > > > > characters in inscriptions so numerous they would fill ten thousand > > > > > pages: his colleagues assumed them to be the graffiti of myriads of > > > > > ancient tourists > > > > > The first eyewitness descriptions from classical authors are > pitifully > > > > > sparse. Thales, the father of Greek geometry, who visited the > pyramid > > > > > sometime in the sixth century BC., is reputed to have astounded its > > > > > Egyptian guardians with a correct computation of its height by > > > > > measuring its shadow at the time of day when its own shadow was > equal > > > > > to his height. Unfortunately he left no detailed description of his > > > > > visit > > > > > The works of other classical authors known to have written about > the > > > > > Pyramid, such as Euhermerus, Duris of Samos, Aristagoras, > Antisthenes, > > > > > Demetrius of Phaleron, Demoteles, Artemidorus of Ephesus, Dionysius > of > > > > > Halicarnassus, Alexander Polyhistor, Butoridas, and Apion are all > > > > > lost, and survive only in fragmented quotation…” > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 1:13 pm, malcymo > > > > ... > > > > read more » -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
