i like the pyramids and egypt , i think there neat º º ~
gabbydott wrote: > You change my point of view by talking with me. On the other hand you cannot > change my point of view, since it is located somewhere between my two hands > and not between yours. A double plus situation I would call it. :) > Whereas the private screaming option sounds pointless by intention to me. > Ego-serving, because you have nothing to do with it. Na, not my style. > As for the moderators function here, they define it the way it suits them. I > must have entered this group shortly after they had banned a Brother Dave. > It gave them great pleasure to make him look ridiculous after he had been > withdrawn the rights to defend himself. There were no public objections > made, which made me realize that I had entered the real business world here. > The ideology business world. I have been learning a lot since then. Deleting > viagra spam mails and links is for beginners. ;) > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:31 PM, allan deheretic <[email protected]>wrote: > > > I don't want you to change your point of view Gabby ,, just to calm down > > I have no God like powers I am just a friend you can yell and scream at > > and not be offended ... A quiet way of doing that is privately. > > as for super power personally I really do not want them.. I always thought > > their primary function was to keep the spam out of the group.. Like some > > one running money scam. > > Allan > > > > My private email is not for anyone to read other than myself. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:40 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> You mean, I straightened out my point of view, Allan. That's right. I > >> don't mean to offend you, Allan, but do you have the godlike powers to > >> provide me with an afterlife that your email address that anyone can read > >> anyhow would be of special use to me? Craig, Ian, Chris, Molly and orn have > >> been given these powers, as far as I remember. And as long as we don't have > >> access to these rights we are the ones to feed them with our power for > >> their > >> afterlife. Easy? No. Simple? Yes. > >> > >> If you want to watch effective spin mastery examples without any feeling > >> of guilt or bad consciousness and therefore without any hope for a > >> change outside this group, remember how the almost extinguished diversity > >> of > >> the Chinese peoples was fashionably sold by presenting children solely from > >> the ethnic majority group dressed up in costumes from various nowadays > >> minority groups. The children from the minority groups were too ugly. > >> > >> That's how effective spin works: make the other look ugly and declare that > >> you are doing a good job by cleaning the world from the ugly. For only > >> beauty will survive. Or something along these lines, romanticism and > >> exoticism are not my strength. > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:30 AM, allan deheretic > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > >>> Easy does it Gabby, I think it is all straightened out.. and if you have > >>> problems you have my email address > >>> Allan > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:04 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> And tomorrow will never be here if you kill the first posting of a yet > >>>> to come thread. Egypt was not first place where that happened and not the > >>>> last, as we can see. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:48 AM, allan deheretic > >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> LOL I am not in for a blood bath, you two. I know gbby has jumped my > >>>>> but,, and she was right.. so have you.. > >>>>> The only time that is important is this moment,, Yesterday is gone,, > >>>>> tomorrow is not here.. > >>>>> back to slice and dicing philosophy.. > >>>>> got to take wife to doc. > >>>>> Allan > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:14 AM, ornamentalmind < > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> OK, let’s be precise gabby: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You have been voted upon being at the very least put on moderation by > >>>>>> the moderators on more than one occasion that I know of. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So far, on each vote I supported you. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If that is ‘spinning this group’ for my own purpose, I’ll be glad to > >>>>>> change! ;-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Apr 19, 11:21 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > Let's try to be precise, shall we, orn? > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > These are the facts from my point of view in chronological order: > >>>>>> > From what I hear I got banned from this group a couple of years ago > >>>>>> by > >>>>>> > chance or by accident, whichever way you like it, or by a Google bug > >>>>>> > for the animal friends here. Craig checked and resolved the issue > >>>>>> > after I asked him. After that incident I only had minor technical > >>>>>> > trouble accessing this site and only at times when others had the > >>>>>> same > >>>>>> > trouble. Nothing personal then, I assumed. But for the last weeks > >>>>>> > things have changed. First time I couldn't directly access the > >>>>>> website > >>>>>> > I thought it was a bug again. And I asked the moderators to resolve > >>>>>> > the issue. It was Chris whom I asked via facebook, who set me off > >>>>>> > moderation again. Only a short time later I perceived time lag in > >>>>>> > posting again. I started the "behind the leg" thread to find out > >>>>>> what > >>>>>> > was going on this time and found out that I was being set on > >>>>>> > moderation again. This time I asked Chris openly on facebook to help > >>>>>> > me. And he did. I could directly post to the website again. Until a > >>>>>> > couple of days ago my starter posting for a new thread got > >>>>>> banned/got > >>>>>> > deleted/was being made to disappear/got cleaned from the group's > >>>>>> > website. First time this happened to me. In this posting I reminded > >>>>>> > orn that I was still waiting for an answer (to explain why I was > >>>>>> being > >>>>>> > set on moderation in the last weeks by probably him). I sent out a > >>>>>> > copy of the deleted thread starting posting to the present ME > >>>>>> posters. > >>>>>> > And he did not reply again. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > My interpretation: > >>>>>> > Reading the post that he was making here only minutes after he > >>>>>> > presumably deleted mine, tells me that his postings follow a > >>>>>> conscious > >>>>>> > agenda. An agenda that in practice subdues others. If that is how > >>>>>> > spinning is defined then he is spinning this group for his very own > >>>>>> > purpose, yes. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > On 19 Apr., 15:21, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > So Allan, mentioning a book that I found to be interesting that > >>>>>> was on > >>>>>> > > topic to this thread is something you consider to be > >>>>>> 'promoting'?....I > >>>>>> > > agree that there is 'spin' in the sense that it along with about > >>>>>> > > everything in print includes some sort of subjective bent...and > >>>>>> have > >>>>>> > > said so from the very start. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > I'm not sure what sort of 'personal attacks' you see involved with > >>>>>> > > gabby unless it would be her ongoing and tenacious trolling. I > >>>>>> just > >>>>>> > > checked the settings and she isn't banned. I hear that she was > >>>>>> banned > >>>>>> > > once many years ago and more recently along with many other > >>>>>> members, > >>>>>> > > me included, when Google had bugs and got her settings changed. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > So, yes, it would 'appear to be an personal attack...' > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > On Apr 18, 11:41 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > will not get into that problem because it would appear to be an > >>>>>> personal > >>>>>> > > > attack on individuals beliefs.. if you are wondering further > >>>>>> look into the > >>>>>> > > > things you have promoted on minds eye -- the source of which > >>>>>> is often > >>>>>> > > > falls into both categories. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > And speaking of personal attacks why is Gabby banned? > >>>>>> > > > Allan > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:22 AM, ornamentalmind > >>>>>> > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > Yes allan, there is spin and promotion all over the US...I > >>>>>> just was > >>>>>> > > > > wondering exactly what type you were referring to associated > >>>>>> with > >>>>>> > > > > Unity...I still don't know. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > On Apr 18, 1:30 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > > > > > Come on Orn I know I live in europe now, The effect of spin > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> > > > > promotion > >>>>>> > > > > > are blatant in the US and it is effective because of spin > >>>>>> and promotion > >>>>>> > > > > are > >>>>>> > > > > > highly visible , you are surrounded by it day in and day > >>>>>> out.. beliefs > >>>>>> > > > > are > >>>>>> > > > > > promoted by spin and promotion especially in the USA to the > >>>>>> point of if > >>>>>> > > > > you > >>>>>> > > > > > can not see what is happening I really feel sorry for you. > >>>>>> > > > > > Allan > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:11 PM, ornamentalmind > >>>>>> > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > How can Unity be 'controlled by spin and promotion'? > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > On Apr 17, 11:53 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > > > > > > > ahh Sherif we do not get much time to talk ,, other > >>>>>> topic are more > >>>>>> > > > > > > > pressing but he never fails to bring me cookies > >>>>>> (traditional fancy > >>>>>> > > > > type > >>>>>> > > > > > > hm > >>>>>> > > > > > > > m good, lip smacking type) > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > I think every generation has an understand of unity, > >>>>>> unfortunately > >>>>>> > > > > today > >>>>>> > > > > > > it > >>>>>> > > > > > > > is controlled by spin and promotion. > >>>>>> > > > > > > > Allan > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, ornamentalmind < > >>>>>> > > > > > > [email protected] > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > Allan, again we agree on the apparent lack of > >>>>>> practicality when it > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > comes to ancient Egyptian religious practices and > >>>>>> their use today. > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > I've heard it said that they clearly knew 'the Unity' > >>>>>> and by most > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > standards, this appears to have been the case. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > So, of what 'use' is their theology today...very > >>>>>> little that I can > >>>>>> > > > > see > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > too. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > Their use of math and trig and a possible observatory > >>>>>> was a new and > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > unique presentation for me and one that I greatly > >>>>>> appreciated. Is > >>>>>> > > > > this > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > actually what the Great Pyramid was used for?...no, I > >>>>>> don't know > >>>>>> > > > > for > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > sure either. It just looks like a very good > >>>>>> possibility... based on > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > the physical evidence. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > Perhaps you would share some stories about Sherif here > >>>>>> some day? It > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > might be of interest to many... > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 9:42 am, allan deheretic < > >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Well Orn > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > The greatest answer I have ever heard is 'I don't > >>>>>> know.' > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Egyptian 'spirituality?' many > >>>>>> years ago and > >>>>>> > > > > found > >>>>>> > > > > > > it > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > for > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > me to be of very little value. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > I know Egypt has been photographed every which way > >>>>>> but loose so > >>>>>> > > > > > > finding > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > them > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > really does not surprise me. american universities > >>>>>> are well > >>>>>> > > > > known > >>>>>> > > > > > > for > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > their > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > research .. and there are always possibilities. > >>>>>> The acid test > >>>>>> > > > > for > >>>>>> > > > > > > me > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > comes > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > down to of what real value does it have for me > >>>>>> today? Sadly for > >>>>>> > > > > me > >>>>>> > > > > > > these > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > wild and fantasy ideas that are being promoted lack > >>>>>> real > >>>>>> > > > > substance. > >>>>>> > > > > > > but > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > to > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > each his own. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > as for your amazon reference.. I am looking at the > >>>>>> few books I > >>>>>> > > > > keep > >>>>>> > > > > > > in > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > my > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > desk I see one that I have had for years ,, actually > >>>>>> I have two > >>>>>> > > > > > > copies of > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > it,, memory tells me I paid $4.95 for each copy > >>>>>> which normally > >>>>>> > > > > sold > >>>>>> > > > > > > for > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > $12.95 recently a person asked me about it,, and > >>>>>> the amazon > >>>>>> > > > > price > >>>>>> > > > > > > used > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > is > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > $150.oo . Today it is even on line and now has a > >>>>>> whole cult > >>>>>> > > > > > > following.. > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > When it comes to books prices all I can say is a > >>>>>> fool and his > >>>>>> > > > > money > >>>>>> > > > > > > is > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > soon > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > parted and looking it ,, now it has been photocopied > >>>>>> on line. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > if I really want to get down into the Egyptian thing > >>>>>> I Ii will > >>>>>> > > > > sit > >>>>>> > > > > > > down > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > and > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > discuss it with my friend Sherif over coffee. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > There are people whose knowledge and wisdom really > >>>>>> dazzle me.. > >>>>>> > > > > mean > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > while > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > 'I don't know.' > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Allan > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, ornamentalmind > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I take almost *all* writings ‘with a grain of > >>>>>> salt’ Allan. > >>>>>> > > > > I > >>>>>> > > > > > > give > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > a critical eye to those who present their opinions > >>>>>> about others > >>>>>> > > > > who > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > have actually done some research too! > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > However, in the particular, the majority of the > >>>>>> first part of > >>>>>> > > > > > > Peter’s > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > book is but a compilation of the available written > >>>>>> history > >>>>>> > > > > about > >>>>>> > > > > > > the > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > Pyramid. The middle part about its probable use as > >>>>>> an > >>>>>> > > > > observatory > >>>>>> > > > > > > is > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > only one of the countless possibilities presented > >>>>>> about its > >>>>>> > > > > > > possible > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > function. I read this part with a skeptical eye. > >>>>>> And, even with > >>>>>> > > > > > > this > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > skepticism found that the physical structure > >>>>>> actually supports > >>>>>> > > > > this > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > particular theory and is used as the main source > >>>>>> for this > >>>>>> > > > > possible > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > use. Here I’m talking about exact measurements > >>>>>> including > >>>>>> > > > > > > comparisons > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > of measurements previously made at different > >>>>>> points of time > >>>>>> > > > > during > >>>>>> > > > > > > its > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > continual decline. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > The other sections about its construction, how the > >>>>>> passages > >>>>>> > > > > were > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > plugged etc. too are presented using only its own > >>>>>> physical > >>>>>> > > > > shape > >>>>>> > > > > > > and > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > measurements as primary evidence. Admittedly, this > >>>>>> is the part > >>>>>> > > > > > > where > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > projected understandings can be involved as is the > >>>>>> case with > >>>>>> > > > > most > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > things. Yet, assuming the very carefully > >>>>>> documented > >>>>>> > > > > measurements > >>>>>> > > > > > > are > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > all accurate (I haven’t personally measured > >>>>>> them.), what he > >>>>>> > > > > > > presents > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > is very persuasive. Very! > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > The one chapter about ‘Secret Initiation’ is > >>>>>> mostly speculation > >>>>>> > > > > and > >>>>>> > > > > > > is > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > presented as such. This is the part I said that I > >>>>>> personally > >>>>>> > > > > wish > >>>>>> > > > > > > were > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > ... > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > read more » > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> ( > >>>>> ) > >>>>> I_D Allan > >>>>> > >>>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >>>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> ( > >>> ) > >>> I_D Allan > >>> > >>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > >
