P.S. The children I was referring to were seen at the opening ceremony of the last Olympic games in Peking. Sorry that I forgot to mention that.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:40 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > You mean, I straightened out my point of view, Allan. That's right. I don't > mean to offend you, Allan, but do you have the godlike powers to provide me > with an afterlife that your email address that anyone can read anyhow would > be of special use to me? Craig, Ian, Chris, Molly and orn have been given > these powers, as far as I remember. And as long as we don't have access to > these rights we are the ones to feed them with our power for their > afterlife. Easy? No. Simple? Yes. > > If you want to watch effective spin mastery examples without any feeling of > guilt or bad consciousness and therefore without any hope for a > change outside this group, remember how the almost extinguished diversity of > the Chinese peoples was fashionably sold by presenting children solely from > the ethnic majority group dressed up in costumes from various nowadays > minority groups. The children from the minority groups were too ugly. > > That's how effective spin works: make the other look ugly and declare that > you are doing a good job by cleaning the world from the ugly. For only > beauty will survive. Or something along these lines, romanticism and > exoticism are not my strength. > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:30 AM, allan deheretic <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Easy does it Gabby, I think it is all straightened out.. and if you have >> problems you have my email address >> Allan >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:04 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> And tomorrow will never be here if you kill the first posting of a yet to >>> come thread. Egypt was not first place where that happened and not the last, >>> as we can see. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:48 AM, allan deheretic <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> LOL I am not in for a blood bath, you two. I know gbby has jumped my >>>> but,, and she was right.. so have you.. >>>> The only time that is important is this moment,, Yesterday is gone,, >>>> tomorrow is not here.. >>>> back to slice and dicing philosophy.. >>>> got to take wife to doc. >>>> Allan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:14 AM, ornamentalmind < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> OK, let’s be precise gabby: >>>>> >>>>> You have been voted upon being at the very least put on moderation by >>>>> the moderators on more than one occasion that I know of. >>>>> >>>>> So far, on each vote I supported you. >>>>> >>>>> If that is ‘spinning this group’ for my own purpose, I’ll be glad to >>>>> change! ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 19, 11:21 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > Let's try to be precise, shall we, orn? >>>>> > >>>>> > These are the facts from my point of view in chronological order: >>>>> > From what I hear I got banned from this group a couple of years ago >>>>> by >>>>> > chance or by accident, whichever way you like it, or by a Google bug >>>>> > for the animal friends here. Craig checked and resolved the issue >>>>> > after I asked him. After that incident I only had minor technical >>>>> > trouble accessing this site and only at times when others had the >>>>> same >>>>> > trouble. Nothing personal then, I assumed. But for the last weeks >>>>> > things have changed. First time I couldn't directly access the >>>>> website >>>>> > I thought it was a bug again. And I asked the moderators to resolve >>>>> > the issue. It was Chris whom I asked via facebook, who set me off >>>>> > moderation again. Only a short time later I perceived time lag in >>>>> > posting again. I started the "behind the leg" thread to find out what >>>>> > was going on this time and found out that I was being set on >>>>> > moderation again. This time I asked Chris openly on facebook to help >>>>> > me. And he did. I could directly post to the website again. Until a >>>>> > couple of days ago my starter posting for a new thread got banned/got >>>>> > deleted/was being made to disappear/got cleaned from the group's >>>>> > website. First time this happened to me. In this posting I reminded >>>>> > orn that I was still waiting for an answer (to explain why I was >>>>> being >>>>> > set on moderation in the last weeks by probably him). I sent out a >>>>> > copy of the deleted thread starting posting to the present ME >>>>> posters. >>>>> > And he did not reply again. >>>>> > >>>>> > My interpretation: >>>>> > Reading the post that he was making here only minutes after he >>>>> > presumably deleted mine, tells me that his postings follow a >>>>> conscious >>>>> > agenda. An agenda that in practice subdues others. If that is how >>>>> > spinning is defined then he is spinning this group for his very own >>>>> > purpose, yes. >>>>> > >>>>> > On 19 Apr., 15:21, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > So Allan, mentioning a book that I found to be interesting that was >>>>> on >>>>> > > topic to this thread is something you consider to be >>>>> 'promoting'?....I >>>>> > > agree that there is 'spin' in the sense that it along with about >>>>> > > everything in print includes some sort of subjective bent...and >>>>> have >>>>> > > said so from the very start. >>>>> > >>>>> > > I'm not sure what sort of 'personal attacks' you see involved with >>>>> > > gabby unless it would be her ongoing and tenacious trolling. I just >>>>> > > checked the settings and she isn't banned. I hear that she was >>>>> banned >>>>> > > once many years ago and more recently along with many other >>>>> members, >>>>> > > me included, when Google had bugs and got her settings changed. >>>>> > >>>>> > > So, yes, it would 'appear to be an personal attack...' >>>>> > >>>>> > > On Apr 18, 11:41 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > > will not get into that problem because it would appear to be an >>>>> personal >>>>> > > > attack on individuals beliefs.. if you are wondering further >>>>> look into the >>>>> > > > things you have promoted on minds eye -- the source of which is >>>>> often >>>>> > > > falls into both categories. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > And speaking of personal attacks why is Gabby banned? >>>>> > > > Allan >>>>> > >>>>> > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:22 AM, ornamentalmind >>>>> > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > Yes allan, there is spin and promotion all over the US...I just >>>>> was >>>>> > > > > wondering exactly what type you were referring to associated >>>>> with >>>>> > > > > Unity...I still don't know. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > On Apr 18, 1:30 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > > > > > Come on Orn I know I live in europe now, The effect of spin >>>>> and >>>>> > > > > promotion >>>>> > > > > > are blatant in the US and it is effective because of spin >>>>> and promotion >>>>> > > > > are >>>>> > > > > > highly visible , you are surrounded by it day in and day >>>>> out.. beliefs >>>>> > > > > are >>>>> > > > > > promoted by spin and promotion especially in the USA to the >>>>> point of if >>>>> > > > > you >>>>> > > > > > can not see what is happening I really feel sorry for you. >>>>> > > > > > Allan >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:11 PM, ornamentalmind >>>>> > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > How can Unity be 'controlled by spin and promotion'? >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > On Apr 17, 11:53 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > > > > > > > ahh Sherif we do not get much time to talk ,, other >>>>> topic are more >>>>> > > > > > > > pressing but he never fails to bring me cookies >>>>> (traditional fancy >>>>> > > > > type >>>>> > > > > > > hm >>>>> > > > > > > > m good, lip smacking type) >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > I think every generation has an understand of unity, >>>>> unfortunately >>>>> > > > > today >>>>> > > > > > > it >>>>> > > > > > > > is controlled by spin and promotion. >>>>> > > > > > > > Allan >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, ornamentalmind < >>>>> > > > > > > [email protected] >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > wrote: >>>>> > > > > > > > > Allan, again we agree on the apparent lack of >>>>> practicality when it >>>>> > > > > > > > > comes to ancient Egyptian religious practices and their >>>>> use today. >>>>> > > > > > > > > I've heard it said that they clearly knew 'the Unity' >>>>> and by most >>>>> > > > > > > > > standards, this appears to have been the case. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > So, of what 'use' is their theology today...very little >>>>> that I can >>>>> > > > > see >>>>> > > > > > > > > too. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > Their use of math and trig and a possible observatory >>>>> was a new and >>>>> > > > > > > > > unique presentation for me and one that I greatly >>>>> appreciated. Is >>>>> > > > > this >>>>> > > > > > > > > actually what the Great Pyramid was used for?...no, I >>>>> don't know >>>>> > > > > for >>>>> > > > > > > > > sure either. It just looks like a very good >>>>> possibility... based on >>>>> > > > > > > > > the physical evidence. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > Perhaps you would share some stories about Sherif here >>>>> some day? It >>>>> > > > > > > > > might be of interest to many... >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 9:42 am, allan deheretic < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > > > > > > > > > Well Orn >>>>> > > > > > > > > > The greatest answer I have ever heard is 'I don't >>>>> know.' >>>>> > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Egyptian 'spirituality?' many years >>>>> ago and >>>>> > > > > found >>>>> > > > > > > it >>>>> > > > > > > > > for >>>>> > > > > > > > > > me to be of very little value. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > I know Egypt has been photographed every which way >>>>> but loose so >>>>> > > > > > > finding >>>>> > > > > > > > > them >>>>> > > > > > > > > > really does not surprise me. american universities >>>>> are well >>>>> > > > > known >>>>> > > > > > > for >>>>> > > > > > > > > their >>>>> > > > > > > > > > research .. and there are always possibilities. The >>>>> acid test >>>>> > > > > for >>>>> > > > > > > me >>>>> > > > > > > > > comes >>>>> > > > > > > > > > down to of what real value does it have for me today? >>>>> Sadly for >>>>> > > > > me >>>>> > > > > > > these >>>>> > > > > > > > > > wild and fantasy ideas that are being promoted lack >>>>> real >>>>> > > > > substance. >>>>> > > > > > > but >>>>> > > > > > > > > to >>>>> > > > > > > > > > each his own. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > as for your amazon reference.. I am looking at the >>>>> few books I >>>>> > > > > keep >>>>> > > > > > > in >>>>> > > > > > > > > my >>>>> > > > > > > > > > desk I see one that I have had for years ,, actually >>>>> I have two >>>>> > > > > > > copies of >>>>> > > > > > > > > > it,, memory tells me I paid $4.95 for each copy which >>>>> normally >>>>> > > > > sold >>>>> > > > > > > for >>>>> > > > > > > > > > $12.95 recently a person asked me about it,, and >>>>> the amazon >>>>> > > > > price >>>>> > > > > > > used >>>>> > > > > > > > > is >>>>> > > > > > > > > > $150.oo . Today it is even on line and now has a >>>>> whole cult >>>>> > > > > > > following.. >>>>> > > > > > > > > > When it comes to books prices all I can say is a >>>>> fool and his >>>>> > > > > money >>>>> > > > > > > is >>>>> > > > > > > > > soon >>>>> > > > > > > > > > parted and looking it ,, now it has been photocopied >>>>> on line. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > if I really want to get down into the Egyptian thing >>>>> I Ii will >>>>> > > > > sit >>>>> > > > > > > down >>>>> > > > > > > > > and >>>>> > > > > > > > > > discuss it with my friend Sherif over coffee. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > There are people whose knowledge and wisdom really >>>>> dazzle me.. >>>>> > > > > mean >>>>> > > > > > > > > while >>>>> > > > > > > > > > 'I don't know.' >>>>> > > > > > > > > > Allan >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, ornamentalmind >>>>> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I take almost *all* writings ‘with a grain of >>>>> salt’ Allan. >>>>> > > > > I >>>>> > > > > > > give >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > a critical eye to those who present their opinions >>>>> about others >>>>> > > > > who >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > have actually done some research too! >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > However, in the particular, the majority of the >>>>> first part of >>>>> > > > > > > Peter’s >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > book is but a compilation of the available written >>>>> history >>>>> > > > > about >>>>> > > > > > > the >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > Pyramid. The middle part about its probable use as >>>>> an >>>>> > > > > observatory >>>>> > > > > > > is >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > only one of the countless possibilities presented >>>>> about its >>>>> > > > > > > possible >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > function. I read this part with a skeptical eye. >>>>> And, even with >>>>> > > > > > > this >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > skepticism found that the physical structure >>>>> actually supports >>>>> > > > > this >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > particular theory and is used as the main source >>>>> for this >>>>> > > > > possible >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > use. Here I’m talking about exact measurements >>>>> including >>>>> > > > > > > comparisons >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > of measurements previously made at different points >>>>> of time >>>>> > > > > during >>>>> > > > > > > its >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > continual decline. >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > The other sections about its construction, how the >>>>> passages >>>>> > > > > were >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > plugged etc. too are presented using only its own >>>>> physical >>>>> > > > > shape >>>>> > > > > > > and >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > measurements as primary evidence. Admittedly, this >>>>> is the part >>>>> > > > > > > where >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > projected understandings can be involved as is the >>>>> case with >>>>> > > > > most >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > things. Yet, assuming the very carefully documented >>>>> > > > > measurements >>>>> > > > > > > are >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > all accurate (I haven’t personally measured them.), >>>>> what he >>>>> > > > > > > presents >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > is very persuasive. Very! >>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > The one chapter about ‘Secret Initiation’ is mostly >>>>> speculation >>>>> > > > > and >>>>> > > > > > > is >>>>> > > > > > > > > > > presented as such. This is the part I said that I >>>>> personally >>>>> > > > > wish >>>>> > > > > > > were >>>>> > >>>>> > ... >>>>> > >>>>> > read more » >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ( >>>> ) >>>> I_D Allan >>>> >>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> I_D Allan >> >> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >> >> >
