I like the Egypt package tour adds on the right here much better than the free spirituality webinar adds in the other thread. Thank you for keeping the real spirit visible, accessible and affordable, Shaman. :)
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:12 PM, the taoist shaman <[email protected]>wrote: > i like the pyramids and egypt , i think there neat º > º > > ~ > > gabbydott wrote: > > You change my point of view by talking with me. On the other hand you > cannot > > change my point of view, since it is located somewhere between my two > hands > > and not between yours. A double plus situation I would call it. :) > > Whereas the private screaming option sounds pointless by intention to me. > > Ego-serving, because you have nothing to do with it. Na, not my style. > > As for the moderators function here, they define it the way it suits > them. I > > must have entered this group shortly after they had banned a Brother > Dave. > > It gave them great pleasure to make him look ridiculous after he had been > > withdrawn the rights to defend himself. There were no public objections > > made, which made me realize that I had entered the real business world > here. > > The ideology business world. I have been learning a lot since then. > Deleting > > viagra spam mails and links is for beginners. ;) > > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:31 PM, allan deheretic <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > I don't want you to change your point of view Gabby ,, just to calm > down > > > I have no God like powers I am just a friend you can yell and scream > at > > > and not be offended ... A quiet way of doing that is privately. > > > as for super power personally I really do not want them.. I always > thought > > > their primary function was to keep the spam out of the group.. Like > some > > > one running money scam. > > > Allan > > > > > > My private email is not for anyone to read other than myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:40 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> You mean, I straightened out my point of view, Allan. That's right. I > > >> don't mean to offend you, Allan, but do you have the godlike powers to > > >> provide me with an afterlife that your email address that anyone can > read > > >> anyhow would be of special use to me? Craig, Ian, Chris, Molly and orn > have > > >> been given these powers, as far as I remember. And as long as we don't > have > > >> access to these rights we are the ones to feed them with our power for > their > > >> afterlife. Easy? No. Simple? Yes. > > >> > > >> If you want to watch effective spin mastery examples without any > feeling > > >> of guilt or bad consciousness and therefore without any hope for a > > >> change outside this group, remember how the almost extinguished > diversity of > > >> the Chinese peoples was fashionably sold by presenting children solely > from > > >> the ethnic majority group dressed up in costumes from various nowadays > > >> minority groups. The children from the minority groups were too ugly. > > >> > > >> That's how effective spin works: make the other look ugly and declare > that > > >> you are doing a good job by cleaning the world from the ugly. For only > > >> beauty will survive. Or something along these lines, romanticism and > > >> exoticism are not my strength. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:30 AM, allan deheretic < > [email protected]>wrote: > > >> > > >>> Easy does it Gabby, I think it is all straightened out.. and if you > have > > >>> problems you have my email address > > >>> Allan > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:04 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> And tomorrow will never be here if you kill the first posting of a > yet > > >>>> to come thread. Egypt was not first place where that happened and > not the > > >>>> last, as we can see. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:48 AM, allan deheretic < > [email protected]>wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> LOL I am not in for a blood bath, you two. I know gbby has jumped > my > > >>>>> but,, and she was right.. so have you.. > > >>>>> The only time that is important is this moment,, Yesterday is > gone,, > > >>>>> tomorrow is not here.. > > >>>>> back to slice and dicing philosophy.. > > >>>>> got to take wife to doc. > > >>>>> Allan > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:14 AM, ornamentalmind < > > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> OK, let’s be precise gabby: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> You have been voted upon being at the very least put on moderation > by > > >>>>>> the moderators on more than one occasion that I know of. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> So far, on each vote I supported you. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> If that is ‘spinning this group’ for my own purpose, I’ll be glad > to > > >>>>>> change! ;-) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Apr 19, 11:21 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> > Let's try to be precise, shall we, orn? > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > These are the facts from my point of view in chronological > order: > > >>>>>> > From what I hear I got banned from this group a couple of years > ago > > >>>>>> by > > >>>>>> > chance or by accident, whichever way you like it, or by a Google > bug > > >>>>>> > for the animal friends here. Craig checked and resolved the > issue > > >>>>>> > after I asked him. After that incident I only had minor > technical > > >>>>>> > trouble accessing this site and only at times when others had > the > > >>>>>> same > > >>>>>> > trouble. Nothing personal then, I assumed. But for the last > weeks > > >>>>>> > things have changed. First time I couldn't directly access the > > >>>>>> website > > >>>>>> > I thought it was a bug again. And I asked the moderators to > resolve > > >>>>>> > the issue. It was Chris whom I asked via facebook, who set me > off > > >>>>>> > moderation again. Only a short time later I perceived time lag > in > > >>>>>> > posting again. I started the "behind the leg" thread to find out > > >>>>>> what > > >>>>>> > was going on this time and found out that I was being set on > > >>>>>> > moderation again. This time I asked Chris openly on facebook to > help > > >>>>>> > me. And he did. I could directly post to the website again. > Until a > > >>>>>> > couple of days ago my starter posting for a new thread got > > >>>>>> banned/got > > >>>>>> > deleted/was being made to disappear/got cleaned from the group's > > >>>>>> > website. First time this happened to me. In this posting I > reminded > > >>>>>> > orn that I was still waiting for an answer (to explain why I was > > >>>>>> being > > >>>>>> > set on moderation in the last weeks by probably him). I sent out > a > > >>>>>> > copy of the deleted thread starting posting to the present ME > > >>>>>> posters. > > >>>>>> > And he did not reply again. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > My interpretation: > > >>>>>> > Reading the post that he was making here only minutes after he > > >>>>>> > presumably deleted mine, tells me that his postings follow a > > >>>>>> conscious > > >>>>>> > agenda. An agenda that in practice subdues others. If that is > how > > >>>>>> > spinning is defined then he is spinning this group for his very > own > > >>>>>> > purpose, yes. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > On 19 Apr., 15:21, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > So Allan, mentioning a book that I found to be interesting > that > > >>>>>> was on > > >>>>>> > > topic to this thread is something you consider to be > > >>>>>> 'promoting'?....I > > >>>>>> > > agree that there is 'spin' in the sense that it along with > about > > >>>>>> > > everything in print includes some sort of subjective > bent...and > > >>>>>> have > > >>>>>> > > said so from the very start. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > I'm not sure what sort of 'personal attacks' you see involved > with > > >>>>>> > > gabby unless it would be her ongoing and tenacious trolling. I > > >>>>>> just > > >>>>>> > > checked the settings and she isn't banned. I hear that she was > > >>>>>> banned > > >>>>>> > > once many years ago and more recently along with many other > > >>>>>> members, > > >>>>>> > > me included, when Google had bugs and got her settings > changed. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > So, yes, it would 'appear to be an personal attack...' > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > On Apr 18, 11:41 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > will not get into that problem because it would appear to > be an > > >>>>>> personal > > >>>>>> > > > attack on individuals beliefs.. if you are wondering > further > > >>>>>> look into the > > >>>>>> > > > things you have promoted on minds eye -- the source of > which > > >>>>>> is often > > >>>>>> > > > falls into both categories. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > And speaking of personal attacks why is Gabby banned? > > >>>>>> > > > Allan > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:22 AM, ornamentalmind > > >>>>>> > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > Yes allan, there is spin and promotion all over the US...I > > >>>>>> just was > > >>>>>> > > > > wondering exactly what type you were referring to > associated > > >>>>>> with > > >>>>>> > > > > Unity...I still don't know. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > On Apr 18, 1:30 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > > > > Come on Orn I know I live in europe now, The effect of > spin > > >>>>>> and > > >>>>>> > > > > promotion > > >>>>>> > > > > > are blatant in the US and it is effective because of > spin > > >>>>>> and promotion > > >>>>>> > > > > are > > >>>>>> > > > > > highly visible , you are surrounded by it day in and day > > >>>>>> out.. beliefs > > >>>>>> > > > > are > > >>>>>> > > > > > promoted by spin and promotion especially in the USA to > the > > >>>>>> point of if > > >>>>>> > > > > you > > >>>>>> > > > > > can not see what is happening I really feel sorry for > you. > > >>>>>> > > > > > Allan > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:11 PM, ornamentalmind > > >>>>>> > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > How can Unity be 'controlled by spin and promotion'? > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > On Apr 17, 11:53 pm, allan deheretic < > [email protected]> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > ahh Sherif we do not get much time to talk ,, > other > > >>>>>> topic are more > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > pressing but he never fails to bring me cookies > > >>>>>> (traditional fancy > > >>>>>> > > > > type > > >>>>>> > > > > > > hm > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > m good, lip smacking type) > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > I think every generation has an understand of unity, > > >>>>>> unfortunately > > >>>>>> > > > > today > > >>>>>> > > > > > > it > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > is controlled by spin and promotion. > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > Allan > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, ornamentalmind < > > >>>>>> > > > > > > [email protected] > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > Allan, again we agree on the apparent lack of > > >>>>>> practicality when it > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > comes to ancient Egyptian religious practices and > > >>>>>> their use today. > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > I've heard it said that they clearly knew 'the > Unity' > > >>>>>> and by most > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > standards, this appears to have been the case. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > So, of what 'use' is their theology today...very > > >>>>>> little that I can > > >>>>>> > > > > see > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > too. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > Their use of math and trig and a possible > observatory > > >>>>>> was a new and > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > unique presentation for me and one that I greatly > > >>>>>> appreciated. Is > > >>>>>> > > > > this > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > actually what the Great Pyramid was used > for?...no, I > > >>>>>> don't know > > >>>>>> > > > > for > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > sure either. It just looks like a very good > > >>>>>> possibility... based on > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > the physical evidence. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > Perhaps you would share some stories about Sherif > here > > >>>>>> some day? It > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > might be of interest to many... > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 9:42 am, allan deheretic < > > >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Well Orn > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > The greatest answer I have ever heard is 'I > don't > > >>>>>> know.' > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Egyptian 'spirituality?' many > > >>>>>> years ago and > > >>>>>> > > > > found > > >>>>>> > > > > > > it > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > for > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > me to be of very little value. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > I know Egypt has been photographed every which > way > > >>>>>> but loose so > > >>>>>> > > > > > > finding > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > them > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > really does not surprise me. american > universities > > >>>>>> are well > > >>>>>> > > > > known > > >>>>>> > > > > > > for > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > their > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > research .. and there are always > possibilities. > > >>>>>> The acid test > > >>>>>> > > > > for > > >>>>>> > > > > > > me > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > comes > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > down to of what real value does it have for me > > >>>>>> today? Sadly for > > >>>>>> > > > > me > > >>>>>> > > > > > > these > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > wild and fantasy ideas that are being promoted > lack > > >>>>>> real > > >>>>>> > > > > substance. > > >>>>>> > > > > > > but > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > to > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > each his own. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > as for your amazon reference.. I am looking at > the > > >>>>>> few books I > > >>>>>> > > > > keep > > >>>>>> > > > > > > in > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > my > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > desk I see one that I have had for years ,, > actually > > >>>>>> I have two > > >>>>>> > > > > > > copies of > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > it,, memory tells me I paid $4.95 for each copy > > >>>>>> which normally > > >>>>>> > > > > sold > > >>>>>> > > > > > > for > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > $12.95 recently a person asked me about it,, > and > > >>>>>> the amazon > > >>>>>> > > > > price > > >>>>>> > > > > > > used > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > is > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > $150.oo . Today it is even on line and now has > a > > >>>>>> whole cult > > >>>>>> > > > > > > following.. > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > When it comes to books prices all I can say is > a > > >>>>>> fool and his > > >>>>>> > > > > money > > >>>>>> > > > > > > is > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > soon > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > parted and looking it ,, now it has been > photocopied > > >>>>>> on line. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > if I really want to get down into the Egyptian > thing > > >>>>>> I Ii will > > >>>>>> > > > > sit > > >>>>>> > > > > > > down > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > and > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > discuss it with my friend Sherif over coffee. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > There are people whose knowledge and wisdom > really > > >>>>>> dazzle me.. > > >>>>>> > > > > mean > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > while > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > 'I don't know.' > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > Allan > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, ornamentalmind > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I take almost *all* writings ‘with a grain > of > > >>>>>> salt’ Allan. > > >>>>>> > > > > I > > >>>>>> > > > > > > give > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > a critical eye to those who present their > opinions > > >>>>>> about others > > >>>>>> > > > > who > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > have actually done some research too! > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > However, in the particular, the majority of > the > > >>>>>> first part of > > >>>>>> > > > > > > Peter’s > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > book is but a compilation of the available > written > > >>>>>> history > > >>>>>> > > > > about > > >>>>>> > > > > > > the > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > Pyramid. The middle part about its probable > use as > > >>>>>> an > > >>>>>> > > > > observatory > > >>>>>> > > > > > > is > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > only one of the countless possibilities > presented > > >>>>>> about its > > >>>>>> > > > > > > possible > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > function. I read this part with a skeptical > eye. > > >>>>>> And, even with > > >>>>>> > > > > > > this > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > skepticism found that the physical structure > > >>>>>> actually supports > > >>>>>> > > > > this > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > particular theory and is used as the main > source > > >>>>>> for this > > >>>>>> > > > > possible > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > use. Here I’m talking about exact measurements > > >>>>>> including > > >>>>>> > > > > > > comparisons > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > of measurements previously made at different > > >>>>>> points of time > > >>>>>> > > > > during > > >>>>>> > > > > > > its > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > continual decline. > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > The other sections about its construction, how > the > > >>>>>> passages > > >>>>>> > > > > were > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > plugged etc. too are presented using only its > own > > >>>>>> physical > > >>>>>> > > > > shape > > >>>>>> > > > > > > and > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > measurements as primary evidence. Admittedly, > this > > >>>>>> is the part > > >>>>>> > > > > > > where > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > projected understandings can be involved as is > the > > >>>>>> case with > > >>>>>> > > > > most > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > things. Yet, assuming the very carefully > > >>>>>> documented > > >>>>>> > > > > measurements > > >>>>>> > > > > > > are > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > all accurate (I haven’t personally measured > > >>>>>> them.), what he > > >>>>>> > > > > > > presents > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > is very persuasive. Very! > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > The one chapter about ‘Secret Initiation’ is > > >>>>>> mostly speculation > > >>>>>> > > > > and > > >>>>>> > > > > > > is > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > presented as such. This is the part I said > that I > > >>>>>> personally > > >>>>>> > > > > wish > > >>>>>> > > > > > > were > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > ... > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > read more » > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> ( > > >>>>> ) > > >>>>> I_D Allan > > >>>>> > > >>>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > >>>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> ( > > >>> ) > > >>> I_D Allan > > >>> > > >>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > >>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > > > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > > > > > >
