And tomorrow will never be here if you kill the first posting of a yet to come thread. Egypt was not first place where that happened and not the last, as we can see.
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:48 AM, allan deheretic <[email protected]>wrote: > LOL I am not in for a blood bath, you two. I know gbby has jumped my but,, > and she was right.. so have you.. > The only time that is important is this moment,, Yesterday is gone,, > tomorrow is not here.. > back to slice and dicing philosophy.. > got to take wife to doc. > Allan > > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:14 AM, ornamentalmind < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> OK, let’s be precise gabby: >> >> You have been voted upon being at the very least put on moderation by >> the moderators on more than one occasion that I know of. >> >> So far, on each vote I supported you. >> >> If that is ‘spinning this group’ for my own purpose, I’ll be glad to >> change! ;-) >> >> >> On Apr 19, 11:21 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Let's try to be precise, shall we, orn? >> > >> > These are the facts from my point of view in chronological order: >> > From what I hear I got banned from this group a couple of years ago by >> > chance or by accident, whichever way you like it, or by a Google bug >> > for the animal friends here. Craig checked and resolved the issue >> > after I asked him. After that incident I only had minor technical >> > trouble accessing this site and only at times when others had the same >> > trouble. Nothing personal then, I assumed. But for the last weeks >> > things have changed. First time I couldn't directly access the website >> > I thought it was a bug again. And I asked the moderators to resolve >> > the issue. It was Chris whom I asked via facebook, who set me off >> > moderation again. Only a short time later I perceived time lag in >> > posting again. I started the "behind the leg" thread to find out what >> > was going on this time and found out that I was being set on >> > moderation again. This time I asked Chris openly on facebook to help >> > me. And he did. I could directly post to the website again. Until a >> > couple of days ago my starter posting for a new thread got banned/got >> > deleted/was being made to disappear/got cleaned from the group's >> > website. First time this happened to me. In this posting I reminded >> > orn that I was still waiting for an answer (to explain why I was being >> > set on moderation in the last weeks by probably him). I sent out a >> > copy of the deleted thread starting posting to the present ME posters. >> > And he did not reply again. >> > >> > My interpretation: >> > Reading the post that he was making here only minutes after he >> > presumably deleted mine, tells me that his postings follow a conscious >> > agenda. An agenda that in practice subdues others. If that is how >> > spinning is defined then he is spinning this group for his very own >> > purpose, yes. >> > >> > On 19 Apr., 15:21, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > So Allan, mentioning a book that I found to be interesting that was on >> > > topic to this thread is something you consider to be 'promoting'?....I >> > > agree that there is 'spin' in the sense that it along with about >> > > everything in print includes some sort of subjective bent...and have >> > > said so from the very start. >> > >> > > I'm not sure what sort of 'personal attacks' you see involved with >> > > gabby unless it would be her ongoing and tenacious trolling. I just >> > > checked the settings and she isn't banned. I hear that she was banned >> > > once many years ago and more recently along with many other members, >> > > me included, when Google had bugs and got her settings changed. >> > >> > > So, yes, it would 'appear to be an personal attack...' >> > >> > > On Apr 18, 11:41 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > will not get into that problem because it would appear to be an >> personal >> > > > attack on individuals beliefs.. if you are wondering further look >> into the >> > > > things you have promoted on minds eye -- the source of which is >> often >> > > > falls into both categories. >> > >> > > > And speaking of personal attacks why is Gabby banned? >> > > > Allan >> > >> > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:22 AM, ornamentalmind >> > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >> > >> > > > > Yes allan, there is spin and promotion all over the US...I just >> was >> > > > > wondering exactly what type you were referring to associated with >> > > > > Unity...I still don't know. >> > >> > > > > On Apr 18, 1:30 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > Come on Orn I know I live in europe now, The effect of spin and >> > > > > promotion >> > > > > > are blatant in the US and it is effective because of spin and >> promotion >> > > > > are >> > > > > > highly visible , you are surrounded by it day in and day out.. >> beliefs >> > > > > are >> > > > > > promoted by spin and promotion especially in the USA to the >> point of if >> > > > > you >> > > > > > can not see what is happening I really feel sorry for you. >> > > > > > Allan >> > >> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:11 PM, ornamentalmind >> > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > How can Unity be 'controlled by spin and promotion'? >> > >> > > > > > > On Apr 17, 11:53 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > > > > ahh Sherif we do not get much time to talk ,, other topic >> are more >> > > > > > > > pressing but he never fails to bring me cookies >> (traditional fancy >> > > > > type >> > > > > > > hm >> > > > > > > > m good, lip smacking type) >> > >> > > > > > > > I think every generation has an understand of unity, >> unfortunately >> > > > > today >> > > > > > > it >> > > > > > > > is controlled by spin and promotion. >> > > > > > > > Allan >> > >> > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, ornamentalmind < >> > > > > > > [email protected] >> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > Allan, again we agree on the apparent lack of practicality >> when it >> > > > > > > > > comes to ancient Egyptian religious practices and their >> use today. >> > > > > > > > > I've heard it said that they clearly knew 'the Unity' and >> by most >> > > > > > > > > standards, this appears to have been the case. >> > >> > > > > > > > > So, of what 'use' is their theology today...very little >> that I can >> > > > > see >> > > > > > > > > too. >> > >> > > > > > > > > Their use of math and trig and a possible observatory was >> a new and >> > > > > > > > > unique presentation for me and one that I greatly >> appreciated. Is >> > > > > this >> > > > > > > > > actually what the Great Pyramid was used for?...no, I >> don't know >> > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > sure either. It just looks like a very good possibility... >> based on >> > > > > > > > > the physical evidence. >> > >> > > > > > > > > Perhaps you would share some stories about Sherif here >> some day? It >> > > > > > > > > might be of interest to many... >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 9:42 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > Well Orn >> > > > > > > > > > The greatest answer I have ever heard is 'I don't know.' >> > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Egyptian 'spirituality?' many years >> ago and >> > > > > found >> > > > > > > it >> > > > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > > me to be of very little value. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > I know Egypt has been photographed every which way but >> loose so >> > > > > > > finding >> > > > > > > > > them >> > > > > > > > > > really does not surprise me. american universities are >> well >> > > > > known >> > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > their >> > > > > > > > > > research .. and there are always possibilities. The >> acid test >> > > > > for >> > > > > > > me >> > > > > > > > > comes >> > > > > > > > > > down to of what real value does it have for me today? >> Sadly for >> > > > > me >> > > > > > > these >> > > > > > > > > > wild and fantasy ideas that are being promoted lack real >> > > > > substance. >> > > > > > > but >> > > > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > > each his own. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > as for your amazon reference.. I am looking at the few >> books I >> > > > > keep >> > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > my >> > > > > > > > > > desk I see one that I have had for years ,, actually I >> have two >> > > > > > > copies of >> > > > > > > > > > it,, memory tells me I paid $4.95 for each copy which >> normally >> > > > > sold >> > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > > $12.95 recently a person asked me about it,, and the >> amazon >> > > > > price >> > > > > > > used >> > > > > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > > > $150.oo . Today it is even on line and now has a whole >> cult >> > > > > > > following.. >> > > > > > > > > > When it comes to books prices all I can say is a fool >> and his >> > > > > money >> > > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > > soon >> > > > > > > > > > parted and looking it ,, now it has been photocopied on >> line. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > if I really want to get down into the Egyptian thing I >> Ii will >> > > > > sit >> > > > > > > down >> > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > discuss it with my friend Sherif over coffee. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > There are people whose knowledge and wisdom really >> dazzle me.. >> > > > > mean >> > > > > > > > > while >> > > > > > > > > > 'I don't know.' >> > > > > > > > > > Allan >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, ornamentalmind >> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I take almost *all* writings ‘with a grain of >> salt’ Allan. >> > > > > I >> > > > > > > give >> > > > > > > > > > > a critical eye to those who present their opinions >> about others >> > > > > who >> > > > > > > > > > > have actually done some research too! >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > However, in the particular, the majority of the first >> part of >> > > > > > > Peter’s >> > > > > > > > > > > book is but a compilation of the available written >> history >> > > > > about >> > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > Pyramid. The middle part about its probable use as an >> > > > > observatory >> > > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > > > > only one of the countless possibilities presented >> about its >> > > > > > > possible >> > > > > > > > > > > function. I read this part with a skeptical eye. And, >> even with >> > > > > > > this >> > > > > > > > > > > skepticism found that the physical structure actually >> supports >> > > > > this >> > > > > > > > > > > particular theory and is used as the main source for >> this >> > > > > possible >> > > > > > > > > > > use. Here I’m talking about exact measurements >> including >> > > > > > > comparisons >> > > > > > > > > > > of measurements previously made at different points of >> time >> > > > > during >> > > > > > > its >> > > > > > > > > > > continual decline. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > The other sections about its construction, how the >> passages >> > > > > were >> > > > > > > > > > > plugged etc. too are presented using only its own >> physical >> > > > > shape >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > measurements as primary evidence. Admittedly, this is >> the part >> > > > > > > where >> > > > > > > > > > > projected understandings can be involved as is the >> case with >> > > > > most >> > > > > > > > > > > things. Yet, assuming the very carefully documented >> > > > > measurements >> > > > > > > are >> > > > > > > > > > > all accurate (I haven’t personally measured them.), >> what he >> > > > > > > presents >> > > > > > > > > > > is very persuasive. Very! >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > The one chapter about ‘Secret Initiation’ is mostly >> speculation >> > > > > and >> > > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > > > > presented as such. This is the part I said that I >> personally >> > > > > wish >> > > > > > > were >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more » > > > > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > >
