Easy does it Gabby, I think it is all straightened out.. and if you have problems you have my email address Allan
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:04 PM, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > And tomorrow will never be here if you kill the first posting of a yet to > come thread. Egypt was not first place where that happened and not the last, > as we can see. > > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:48 AM, allan deheretic <[email protected]>wrote: > >> LOL I am not in for a blood bath, you two. I know gbby has jumped my >> but,, and she was right.. so have you.. >> The only time that is important is this moment,, Yesterday is gone,, >> tomorrow is not here.. >> back to slice and dicing philosophy.. >> got to take wife to doc. >> Allan >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:14 AM, ornamentalmind < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> OK, let’s be precise gabby: >>> >>> You have been voted upon being at the very least put on moderation by >>> the moderators on more than one occasion that I know of. >>> >>> So far, on each vote I supported you. >>> >>> If that is ‘spinning this group’ for my own purpose, I’ll be glad to >>> change! ;-) >>> >>> >>> On Apr 19, 11:21 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Let's try to be precise, shall we, orn? >>> > >>> > These are the facts from my point of view in chronological order: >>> > From what I hear I got banned from this group a couple of years ago by >>> > chance or by accident, whichever way you like it, or by a Google bug >>> > for the animal friends here. Craig checked and resolved the issue >>> > after I asked him. After that incident I only had minor technical >>> > trouble accessing this site and only at times when others had the same >>> > trouble. Nothing personal then, I assumed. But for the last weeks >>> > things have changed. First time I couldn't directly access the website >>> > I thought it was a bug again. And I asked the moderators to resolve >>> > the issue. It was Chris whom I asked via facebook, who set me off >>> > moderation again. Only a short time later I perceived time lag in >>> > posting again. I started the "behind the leg" thread to find out what >>> > was going on this time and found out that I was being set on >>> > moderation again. This time I asked Chris openly on facebook to help >>> > me. And he did. I could directly post to the website again. Until a >>> > couple of days ago my starter posting for a new thread got banned/got >>> > deleted/was being made to disappear/got cleaned from the group's >>> > website. First time this happened to me. In this posting I reminded >>> > orn that I was still waiting for an answer (to explain why I was being >>> > set on moderation in the last weeks by probably him). I sent out a >>> > copy of the deleted thread starting posting to the present ME posters. >>> > And he did not reply again. >>> > >>> > My interpretation: >>> > Reading the post that he was making here only minutes after he >>> > presumably deleted mine, tells me that his postings follow a conscious >>> > agenda. An agenda that in practice subdues others. If that is how >>> > spinning is defined then he is spinning this group for his very own >>> > purpose, yes. >>> > >>> > On 19 Apr., 15:21, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > So Allan, mentioning a book that I found to be interesting that was >>> on >>> > > topic to this thread is something you consider to be >>> 'promoting'?....I >>> > > agree that there is 'spin' in the sense that it along with about >>> > > everything in print includes some sort of subjective bent...and have >>> > > said so from the very start. >>> > >>> > > I'm not sure what sort of 'personal attacks' you see involved with >>> > > gabby unless it would be her ongoing and tenacious trolling. I just >>> > > checked the settings and she isn't banned. I hear that she was banned >>> > > once many years ago and more recently along with many other members, >>> > > me included, when Google had bugs and got her settings changed. >>> > >>> > > So, yes, it would 'appear to be an personal attack...' >>> > >>> > > On Apr 18, 11:41 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > will not get into that problem because it would appear to be an >>> personal >>> > > > attack on individuals beliefs.. if you are wondering further look >>> into the >>> > > > things you have promoted on minds eye -- the source of which is >>> often >>> > > > falls into both categories. >>> > >>> > > > And speaking of personal attacks why is Gabby banned? >>> > > > Allan >>> > >>> > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:22 AM, ornamentalmind >>> > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >>> > >>> > > > > Yes allan, there is spin and promotion all over the US...I just >>> was >>> > > > > wondering exactly what type you were referring to associated with >>> > > > > Unity...I still don't know. >>> > >>> > > > > On Apr 18, 1:30 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > > Come on Orn I know I live in europe now, The effect of spin >>> and >>> > > > > promotion >>> > > > > > are blatant in the US and it is effective because of spin and >>> promotion >>> > > > > are >>> > > > > > highly visible , you are surrounded by it day in and day out.. >>> beliefs >>> > > > > are >>> > > > > > promoted by spin and promotion especially in the USA to the >>> point of if >>> > > > > you >>> > > > > > can not see what is happening I really feel sorry for you. >>> > > > > > Allan >>> > >>> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:11 PM, ornamentalmind >>> > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >>> > >>> > > > > > > How can Unity be 'controlled by spin and promotion'? >>> > >>> > > > > > > On Apr 17, 11:53 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > > > > > > ahh Sherif we do not get much time to talk ,, other >>> topic are more >>> > > > > > > > pressing but he never fails to bring me cookies >>> (traditional fancy >>> > > > > type >>> > > > > > > hm >>> > > > > > > > m good, lip smacking type) >>> > >>> > > > > > > > I think every generation has an understand of unity, >>> unfortunately >>> > > > > today >>> > > > > > > it >>> > > > > > > > is controlled by spin and promotion. >>> > > > > > > > Allan >>> > >>> > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, ornamentalmind < >>> > > > > > > [email protected] >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > Allan, again we agree on the apparent lack of >>> practicality when it >>> > > > > > > > > comes to ancient Egyptian religious practices and their >>> use today. >>> > > > > > > > > I've heard it said that they clearly knew 'the Unity' and >>> by most >>> > > > > > > > > standards, this appears to have been the case. >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > So, of what 'use' is their theology today...very little >>> that I can >>> > > > > see >>> > > > > > > > > too. >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > Their use of math and trig and a possible observatory was >>> a new and >>> > > > > > > > > unique presentation for me and one that I greatly >>> appreciated. Is >>> > > > > this >>> > > > > > > > > actually what the Great Pyramid was used for?...no, I >>> don't know >>> > > > > for >>> > > > > > > > > sure either. It just looks like a very good >>> possibility... based on >>> > > > > > > > > the physical evidence. >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > Perhaps you would share some stories about Sherif here >>> some day? It >>> > > > > > > > > might be of interest to many... >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 9:42 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > Well Orn >>> > > > > > > > > > The greatest answer I have ever heard is 'I don't >>> know.' >>> > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Egyptian 'spirituality?' many years >>> ago and >>> > > > > found >>> > > > > > > it >>> > > > > > > > > for >>> > > > > > > > > > me to be of very little value. >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > I know Egypt has been photographed every which way but >>> loose so >>> > > > > > > finding >>> > > > > > > > > them >>> > > > > > > > > > really does not surprise me. american universities are >>> well >>> > > > > known >>> > > > > > > for >>> > > > > > > > > their >>> > > > > > > > > > research .. and there are always possibilities. The >>> acid test >>> > > > > for >>> > > > > > > me >>> > > > > > > > > comes >>> > > > > > > > > > down to of what real value does it have for me today? >>> Sadly for >>> > > > > me >>> > > > > > > these >>> > > > > > > > > > wild and fantasy ideas that are being promoted lack >>> real >>> > > > > substance. >>> > > > > > > but >>> > > > > > > > > to >>> > > > > > > > > > each his own. >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > as for your amazon reference.. I am looking at the few >>> books I >>> > > > > keep >>> > > > > > > in >>> > > > > > > > > my >>> > > > > > > > > > desk I see one that I have had for years ,, actually I >>> have two >>> > > > > > > copies of >>> > > > > > > > > > it,, memory tells me I paid $4.95 for each copy which >>> normally >>> > > > > sold >>> > > > > > > for >>> > > > > > > > > > $12.95 recently a person asked me about it,, and the >>> amazon >>> > > > > price >>> > > > > > > used >>> > > > > > > > > is >>> > > > > > > > > > $150.oo . Today it is even on line and now has a >>> whole cult >>> > > > > > > following.. >>> > > > > > > > > > When it comes to books prices all I can say is a fool >>> and his >>> > > > > money >>> > > > > > > is >>> > > > > > > > > soon >>> > > > > > > > > > parted and looking it ,, now it has been photocopied on >>> line. >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > if I really want to get down into the Egyptian thing I >>> Ii will >>> > > > > sit >>> > > > > > > down >>> > > > > > > > > and >>> > > > > > > > > > discuss it with my friend Sherif over coffee. >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > There are people whose knowledge and wisdom really >>> dazzle me.. >>> > > > > mean >>> > > > > > > > > while >>> > > > > > > > > > 'I don't know.' >>> > > > > > > > > > Allan >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, ornamentalmind >>> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I take almost *all* writings ‘with a grain of >>> salt’ Allan. >>> > > > > I >>> > > > > > > give >>> > > > > > > > > > > a critical eye to those who present their opinions >>> about others >>> > > > > who >>> > > > > > > > > > > have actually done some research too! >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > However, in the particular, the majority of the first >>> part of >>> > > > > > > Peter’s >>> > > > > > > > > > > book is but a compilation of the available written >>> history >>> > > > > about >>> > > > > > > the >>> > > > > > > > > > > Pyramid. The middle part about its probable use as an >>> > > > > observatory >>> > > > > > > is >>> > > > > > > > > > > only one of the countless possibilities presented >>> about its >>> > > > > > > possible >>> > > > > > > > > > > function. I read this part with a skeptical eye. And, >>> even with >>> > > > > > > this >>> > > > > > > > > > > skepticism found that the physical structure actually >>> supports >>> > > > > this >>> > > > > > > > > > > particular theory and is used as the main source for >>> this >>> > > > > possible >>> > > > > > > > > > > use. Here I’m talking about exact measurements >>> including >>> > > > > > > comparisons >>> > > > > > > > > > > of measurements previously made at different points >>> of time >>> > > > > during >>> > > > > > > its >>> > > > > > > > > > > continual decline. >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > The other sections about its construction, how the >>> passages >>> > > > > were >>> > > > > > > > > > > plugged etc. too are presented using only its own >>> physical >>> > > > > shape >>> > > > > > > and >>> > > > > > > > > > > measurements as primary evidence. Admittedly, this is >>> the part >>> > > > > > > where >>> > > > > > > > > > > projected understandings can be involved as is the >>> case with >>> > > > > most >>> > > > > > > > > > > things. Yet, assuming the very carefully documented >>> > > > > measurements >>> > > > > > > are >>> > > > > > > > > > > all accurate (I haven’t personally measured them.), >>> what he >>> > > > > > > presents >>> > > > > > > > > > > is very persuasive. Very! >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > The one chapter about ‘Secret Initiation’ is mostly >>> speculation >>> > > > > and >>> > > > > > > is >>> > > > > > > > > > > presented as such. This is the part I said that I >>> personally >>> > > > > wish >>> > > > > > > were >>> > >>> > ... >>> > >>> > read more » >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ( >> ) >> I_D Allan >> >> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken >> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, >> >> > -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
