LOL I am not in for a blood bath, you two. I know gbby has jumped my but,, and she was right.. so have you.. The only time that is important is this moment,, Yesterday is gone,, tomorrow is not here.. back to slice and dicing philosophy.. got to take wife to doc. Allan
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:14 AM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote: > OK, let’s be precise gabby: > > You have been voted upon being at the very least put on moderation by > the moderators on more than one occasion that I know of. > > So far, on each vote I supported you. > > If that is ‘spinning this group’ for my own purpose, I’ll be glad to > change! ;-) > > > On Apr 19, 11:21 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > Let's try to be precise, shall we, orn? > > > > These are the facts from my point of view in chronological order: > > From what I hear I got banned from this group a couple of years ago by > > chance or by accident, whichever way you like it, or by a Google bug > > for the animal friends here. Craig checked and resolved the issue > > after I asked him. After that incident I only had minor technical > > trouble accessing this site and only at times when others had the same > > trouble. Nothing personal then, I assumed. But for the last weeks > > things have changed. First time I couldn't directly access the website > > I thought it was a bug again. And I asked the moderators to resolve > > the issue. It was Chris whom I asked via facebook, who set me off > > moderation again. Only a short time later I perceived time lag in > > posting again. I started the "behind the leg" thread to find out what > > was going on this time and found out that I was being set on > > moderation again. This time I asked Chris openly on facebook to help > > me. And he did. I could directly post to the website again. Until a > > couple of days ago my starter posting for a new thread got banned/got > > deleted/was being made to disappear/got cleaned from the group's > > website. First time this happened to me. In this posting I reminded > > orn that I was still waiting for an answer (to explain why I was being > > set on moderation in the last weeks by probably him). I sent out a > > copy of the deleted thread starting posting to the present ME posters. > > And he did not reply again. > > > > My interpretation: > > Reading the post that he was making here only minutes after he > > presumably deleted mine, tells me that his postings follow a conscious > > agenda. An agenda that in practice subdues others. If that is how > > spinning is defined then he is spinning this group for his very own > > purpose, yes. > > > > On 19 Apr., 15:21, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Allan, mentioning a book that I found to be interesting that was on > > > topic to this thread is something you consider to be 'promoting'?....I > > > agree that there is 'spin' in the sense that it along with about > > > everything in print includes some sort of subjective bent...and have > > > said so from the very start. > > > > > I'm not sure what sort of 'personal attacks' you see involved with > > > gabby unless it would be her ongoing and tenacious trolling. I just > > > checked the settings and she isn't banned. I hear that she was banned > > > once many years ago and more recently along with many other members, > > > me included, when Google had bugs and got her settings changed. > > > > > So, yes, it would 'appear to be an personal attack...' > > > > > On Apr 18, 11:41 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > will not get into that problem because it would appear to be an > personal > > > > attack on individuals beliefs.. if you are wondering further look > into the > > > > things you have promoted on minds eye -- the source of which is > often > > > > falls into both categories. > > > > > > And speaking of personal attacks why is Gabby banned? > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:22 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > Yes allan, there is spin and promotion all over the US...I just was > > > > > wondering exactly what type you were referring to associated with > > > > > Unity...I still don't know. > > > > > > > On Apr 18, 1:30 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Come on Orn I know I live in europe now, The effect of spin and > > > > > promotion > > > > > > are blatant in the US and it is effective because of spin and > promotion > > > > > are > > > > > > highly visible , you are surrounded by it day in and day out.. > beliefs > > > > > are > > > > > > promoted by spin and promotion especially in the USA to the point > of if > > > > > you > > > > > > can not see what is happening I really feel sorry for you. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:11 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > How can Unity be 'controlled by spin and promotion'? > > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 11:53 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > ahh Sherif we do not get much time to talk ,, other topic > are more > > > > > > > > pressing but he never fails to bring me cookies (traditional > fancy > > > > > type > > > > > > > hm > > > > > > > > m good, lip smacking type) > > > > > > > > > > I think every generation has an understand of unity, > unfortunately > > > > > today > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is controlled by spin and promotion. > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:49 AM, ornamentalmind < > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Allan, again we agree on the apparent lack of practicality > when it > > > > > > > > > comes to ancient Egyptian religious practices and their use > today. > > > > > > > > > I've heard it said that they clearly knew 'the Unity' and > by most > > > > > > > > > standards, this appears to have been the case. > > > > > > > > > > > So, of what 'use' is their theology today...very little > that I can > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > Their use of math and trig and a possible observatory was a > new and > > > > > > > > > unique presentation for me and one that I greatly > appreciated. Is > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > actually what the Great Pyramid was used for?...no, I don't > know > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > sure either. It just looks like a very good possibility... > based on > > > > > > > > > the physical evidence. > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you would share some stories about Sherif here some > day? It > > > > > > > > > might be of interest to many... > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 17, 9:42 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well Orn > > > > > > > > > > The greatest answer I have ever heard is 'I don't know.' > > > > > > > > > > I looked into the Egyptian 'spirituality?' many years ago > and > > > > > found > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > me to be of very little value. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know Egypt has been photographed every which way but > loose so > > > > > > > finding > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > really does not surprise me. american universities are > well > > > > > known > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > research .. and there are always possibilities. The > acid test > > > > > for > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > down to of what real value does it have for me today? > Sadly for > > > > > me > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > wild and fantasy ideas that are being promoted lack real > > > > > substance. > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > each his own. > > > > > > > > > > > > as for your amazon reference.. I am looking at the few > books I > > > > > keep > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > desk I see one that I have had for years ,, actually I > have two > > > > > > > copies of > > > > > > > > > > it,, memory tells me I paid $4.95 for each copy which > normally > > > > > sold > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > $12.95 recently a person asked me about it,, and the > amazon > > > > > price > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > $150.oo . Today it is even on line and now has a whole > cult > > > > > > > following.. > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to books prices all I can say is a fool > and his > > > > > money > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > soon > > > > > > > > > > parted and looking it ,, now it has been photocopied on > line. > > > > > > > > > > > > if I really want to get down into the Egyptian thing I Ii > will > > > > > sit > > > > > > > down > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > discuss it with my friend Sherif over coffee. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are people whose knowledge and wisdom really dazzle > me.. > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > 'I don't know.' > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I take almost *all* writings ‘with a grain of salt’ > Allan. > > > > > I > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > a critical eye to those who present their opinions > about others > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > have actually done some research too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, in the particular, the majority of the first > part of > > > > > > > Peter’s > > > > > > > > > > > book is but a compilation of the available written > history > > > > > about > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Pyramid. The middle part about its probable use as an > > > > > observatory > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > only one of the countless possibilities presented about > its > > > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > > > function. I read this part with a skeptical eye. And, > even with > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > skepticism found that the physical structure actually > supports > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > particular theory and is used as the main source for > this > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > > > use. Here I’m talking about exact measurements > including > > > > > > > comparisons > > > > > > > > > > > of measurements previously made at different points of > time > > > > > during > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > continual decline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other sections about its construction, how the > passages > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > plugged etc. too are presented using only its own > physical > > > > > shape > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > measurements as primary evidence. Admittedly, this is > the part > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > projected understandings can be involved as is the case > with > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > things. Yet, assuming the very carefully documented > > > > > measurements > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > all accurate (I haven’t personally measured them.), > what he > > > > > > > presents > > > > > > > > > > > is very persuasive. Very! > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chapter about ‘Secret Initiation’ is mostly > speculation > > > > > and > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > presented as such. This is the part I said that I > personally > > > > > wish > > > > > > > were > > > > ... > > > > read more » -- ( ) I_D Allan If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
