You may be on to something here, archytas. There is some evidence that we are "editors" of real time; we can never actually "live" a moment; when you add photon travel time to neural processing time, to referential mapping, to consciousness, you get a huge great big gap in human "agency".
On Jun 9, 5:07 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I often find myself thinking about trance states and how we could spot > them. The classic for me is that we are merely vehicles for our > machine-like genes something I find 'true' and highly unlikely until I > switch the tv on. I believe both that we are tranced and that > ejukation is part of it. Various herd and pack animals are quite > clearly tranced in respect of leadership by chemical-biological > means. We have some idea of the operation in humans. The networks of > our held world-views are highly self-deceptive and not really amenable > to 'facts'. When we look scientifically, we find 'cactus structures' > of control - my sense is that 'spin' knows something of this, but we > fear something that is evolving that would replace the world view > levels we have that would not rely on trance. > > On Jun 9, 4:32 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You're not being manipulated. You're going after something you really > > want. I think that's different. > > > On Jun 8, 9:11 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > I'm not sure I can agree with the idea that education makes us less > > > susceptible to manipulation. In some cases it may even make us more > > > susceptible. Using myself as an example, I'm fairly well educated with > > > about > > > 5 years of college but if you dangle the latest high performance graphics > > > card or multi-core processor in front of me you'll have me drooling like a > > > lobotomy patient in no time. > > > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:30 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In regards to manipulation by culture/ads and the advantage of > > > > education and it continuation in adult life, I would say it allows us > > > > to see through the obvious exaggeration, lack of logic and attempt to > > > > create an artificial want/need/desire. In fact, the exercise is pretty > > > > humorous but I do admit to having a few shopaholic moments in my own > > > > life so I have also been gullible. > > > > > On Jun 7, 10:15 pm, Chuck Bowling <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hummm... For some reason I had the impression you were male. > > > > > > At any rate, I don't think education or economic status has much to do > > > > with > > > > > our susceptibility. We can all be manipulated into believing things > > > > > that > > > > > aren't necessarily true. Take the social prerogative to stay one up on > > > > the > > > > > next door neighbors. Millions are spent on commercial campaigns that > > > > > try > > > > and > > > > > convince us that we should have a bigger TV, newer car, or better > > > > > furniture.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
