Perhaps we're "just as deluded and misled" because we have all these communication tools, rigsy03 (not that we could do without them now); and maybe not enough time to "think" in the traditional sense. It's not nostalgia, btw; i'm not old enough to remember the School Of Athens :)
Yes, i know exactly what you mean about home and family; fundamentals first; long as we dont forget how to dream, eh? :) On Jun 11, 9:18 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I wish it were so, paradox. We have all these communication tools and > are just as deluded and misled as the days of the herald and trumpet > in the square or the carrier pigeon. > > I think I had a subconscious goal that over-road (is this a word?) > other potentialities- a real home and children to raise. Of course, > there's more but that is another story..."Gone With the Breeze"? I'll > think about it tomorrow. :-) > > On Jun 11, 2:21 pm, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Dont do it....please? We have enough of them already :) > > > On Jun 11, 7:09 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > A realist. :-) > > > > On Jun 10, 2:54 pm, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > So, what are your choices, rigsy03? Go on, share...:) > > > > > On Jun 10, 2:59 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > True. I sure wish I'd figure out what I want to be when I grow up! :-) > > > > > > On Jun 9, 11:45 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > You may be on to something here, archytas. There is some evidence > > > > > > that > > > > > > we are "editors" of real time; we can never actually "live" a > > > > > > moment; > > > > > > when you add photon travel time to neural processing time, to > > > > > > referential mapping, to consciousness, you get a huge great big gap > > > > > > in > > > > > > human "agency". > > > > > > > On Jun 9, 5:07 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I often find myself thinking about trance states and how we could > > > > > > > spot > > > > > > > them. The classic for me is that we are merely vehicles for our > > > > > > > machine-like genes something I find 'true' and highly unlikely > > > > > > > until I > > > > > > > switch the tv on. I believe both that we are tranced and that > > > > > > > ejukation is part of it. Various herd and pack animals are quite > > > > > > > clearly tranced in respect of leadership by chemical-biological > > > > > > > means. We have some idea of the operation in humans. The > > > > > > > networks of > > > > > > > our held world-views are highly self-deceptive and not really > > > > > > > amenable > > > > > > > to 'facts'. When we look scientifically, we find 'cactus > > > > > > > structures' > > > > > > > of control - my sense is that 'spin' knows something of this, but > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > fear something that is evolving that would replace the world view > > > > > > > levels we have that would not rely on trance. > > > > > > > > On Jun 9, 4:32 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You're not being manipulated. You're going after something you > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > want. I think that's different. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 8, 9:11 pm, Chuck Bowling > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure I can agree with the idea that education makes > > > > > > > > > us less > > > > > > > > > susceptible to manipulation. In some cases it may even make > > > > > > > > > us more > > > > > > > > > susceptible. Using myself as an example, I'm fairly well > > > > > > > > > educated with about > > > > > > > > > 5 years of college but if you dangle the latest high > > > > > > > > > performance graphics > > > > > > > > > card or multi-core processor in front of me you'll have me > > > > > > > > > drooling like a > > > > > > > > > lobotomy patient in no time. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:30 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In regards to manipulation by culture/ads and the advantage > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > education and it continuation in adult life, I would say it > > > > > > > > > > allows us > > > > > > > > > > to see through the obvious exaggeration, lack of logic and > > > > > > > > > > attempt to > > > > > > > > > > create an artificial want/need/desire. In fact, the > > > > > > > > > > exercise is pretty > > > > > > > > > > humorous but I do admit to having a few shopaholic moments > > > > > > > > > > in my own > > > > > > > > > > life so I have also been gullible. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 7, 10:15 pm, Chuck Bowling > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hummm... For some reason I had the impression you were > > > > > > > > > > > male. > > > > > > > > > > > > At any rate, I don't think education or economic status > > > > > > > > > > > has much to do > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > our susceptibility. We can all be manipulated into > > > > > > > > > > > believing things that > > > > > > > > > > > aren't necessarily true. Take the social prerogative to > > > > > > > > > > > stay one up on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > next door neighbors. 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