Everyday is a vacation! :-) I am going to have some work done on the house so I plan to see that through- went over the general plan today but I have the feeling it will be a leisurely sort of "attack" as I know this young man. I need his muscles and sweat.
Sometimes our reaction to the arts has nothing to do with the artist's intent or character- we read into them what we desire. As for math, I too have felt dazzled seeing three or four blackboards with numbers approaching a grand army (once walking into the wrong classroom). I did like geometry and early algebra but that was all that was required at my highschool- it was fun to get a "solution" to something concrete. But I think I have used those rudimentary skills in a practical way running a home and with various interests so all was not lost. My youngest son took an algebra course that was designed to improve discussion and explanations for people in the sciences as there is a need to translate theoreticals into mere language and exchange information. That is a nice memory of your father. We should all hope to retain our smiles forever. What are you doing this vacation? On Jun 14, 4:03 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > Quality memories :) > > I wasn't suggesting that you might have been making the comment > regarding his moral compass, rigsy03; i did think the author of the > quote was freely sharing though :) > > Yes, i agree; doesn't time just help to put things in context. Fond > memories of my octogenarian father; his solution to our daily > existential crises was the most accomodating smile you could > imagine :) > > Are you planning a summer vacation this year? > > On Jun 14, 4:20 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The correct title of Raphael's Madonna painting is "Madonna of the > > Chair" so perhaps it was included in the exhibit. And all these years > > I dismissed the chair as a spindle! :-) It reminded me of my daughter > > and her younger brother when they were young somehow and I liked the > > old circular frame- dark teal with gold flourishes and borders. Well, > > I've learned something new about it- so thank you. I believe the > > painting resides in Florence. > > > Was I commenting on his moral compass? I didn't mean to but I liked > > the quote- to be reminded of the Pagans. > > > Beyond discernment are some inevitable shifts. Children were a common > > bond with some groups, I'm back to a few tried and true and we all > > seem to savor a kind of relief from our busier pasts. I think it's > > normal. > > > On Jun 13, 11:44 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Well, i was hoping to make the Holy See an offer it can't refuse :) > > > > I was fortunate to see a collection of Raphael's works at the National > > > Gallery in London a few years back; his imagination is truly > > > captivating. I can't really comment on his moral compass; i'm just not > > > qualified, i'm afraid :) > > > > Guess you're right, we cannot shut ourselves off from the world around > > > us; but i'm not sure we're obliged to take in more than we need or > > > want to (most of the time). It's not so much a call to solipsism, more > > > a call to discernment. > > > > The "d's" sound like a great life balance to me :) > > > > On Jun 13, 12:12 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > And just how, pray tell, to you propose to wheedle that painting from > > > > the Vatican? Besides, dear Paradox, it is a fresco! I also have a copy > > > > of his "Madonna and Child" in my bedroom- sometimes she looks stern > > > > and at other times, amused. A critic writes of Raphael- Taine: the > > > > "unique blessing of a twofold education which, after showing him > > > > Christian innocence and purity, made him feel pagan joy and strength." > > > > Amen. > > > > > No one has absolute freedom/liberty but there are degrees- relative to > > > > the particulars of one's existence and one's desires. And there are > > > > possible adaptations/solutions to culture clamps. One can go along to > > > > being a recluse to committing suicide- quick or slow. We cannot avoid > > > > being social animals, however- even a recluse needs groceries. :-) > > > > > Those were just the "d's"... > > > > > On Jun 13, 3:39 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Sounds like you have a serious living space indeed :) I'm saving up > > > > > for the original; i expect to have enough just about when i'm wise > > > > > enough to apply :) > > > > > > Last i read Hume was for an undergrad political philosophy module many > > > > > lives ago; thanks for the reference; i'll make sure i read the > > > > > "Dialogues...". > > > > > > I take your poiint about relative liberties, but wonder how relative > > > > > and free our choiuces if we're "allowed" them; maybe that's the point > > > > > you make about the "claustrophobia" of culture, and the trade off of > > > > > freedoms for security (in an social sense)? > > > > > > Hmm, dreams, delights, and duties...the 3 d's...so now we know about > > > > > the 03 in rigsy03 :) > > > > > > On Jun 12, 1:06 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I have a copy of that painting in my living room. My living room is > > > > > > a > > > > > > serious space. :-) > > > > > > > Re Hume: I took a grad course in literary criticism- it really took > > > > > > me- that included some further handouts beyond the laborious > > > > > > textbook= Hume's "Of the Standard of Taste" which I pulled from > > > > > > basement files yesterday before I slogged through some passages of > > > > > > Hume's "Dialogues on Natural Religion". The former still has sway > > > > > > and > > > > > > sense- at least to me. I daresay we could live quite happily without > > > > > > modern warfare, politics and culture which resembles a huge > > > > > > contraption (I have forgotten the word for an evil, menacing > > > > > > machine) > > > > > > but there are also great gifts of modern times so we have accepted > > > > > > the > > > > > > trade-offs, it seems- at least we who have freedom and liberty are > > > > > > allowed. > > > > > > > The juggling: dreams, delights, duties. > > > > > > > On Jun 12, 12:31 am, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Perhaps we're "just as deluded and misled" because we have all > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > communication tools, rigsy03 (not that we could do without them > > > > > > > now); > > > > > > > and maybe not enough time to "think" in the traditional sense. > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > not nostalgia, btw; i'm not old enough to remember the School Of > > > > > > > Athens :) > > > > > > > > Yes, i know exactly what you mean about home and family; > > > > > > > fundamentals > > > > > > > first; long as we dont forget how to dream, eh? :) > > > > > > > > On Jun 11, 9:18 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I wish it were so, paradox. We have all these communication > > > > > > > > tools and > > > > > > > > are just as deluded and misled as the days of the herald and > > > > > > > > trumpet > > > > > > > > in the square or the carrier pigeon. > > > > > > > > > I think I had a subconscious goal that over-road (is this a > > > > > > > > word?) > > > > > > > > other potentialities- a real home and children to raise. Of > > > > > > > > course, > > > > > > > > there's more but that is another story..."Gone With the > > > > > > > > Breeze"? I'll > > > > > > > > think about it tomorrow. :-) > > > > > > > > > On Jun 11, 2:21 pm, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dont do it....please? We have enough of them already :) > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 11, 7:09 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A realist. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2:54 pm, paradox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what are your choices, rigsy03? Go on, share...:) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2:59 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. I sure wish I'd figure out what I want to be when > > > > > > > > > > > > I grow up! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 9, 11:45 am, paradox <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may be on to something here, archytas. There is > > > > > > > > > > > > > some evidence that > > > > > > > > > > > > > we are "editors" of real time; we can never actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > "live" a moment; > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you add photon travel time to neural processing > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, to > > > > > > > > > > > > > referential mapping, to consciousness, you get a huge > > > > > > > > > > > > > great big gap in > > > > > > > > > > > > > human "agency". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 9, 5:07 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I often find myself thinking about trance states > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and how we could spot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. The classic for me is that we are merely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vehicles for our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > machine-like genes something I find 'true' and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > highly unlikely until I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > switch the tv on. I believe both that we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tranced and that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ejukation is part of it. Various herd and pack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > animals are quite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly tranced in respect of leadership by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chemical-biological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means. We have some idea of the operation in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humans. The networks of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our held world-views are highly self-deceptive and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not really amenable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 'facts'. When we look scientifically, we find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'cactus structures' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of control - my sense is that 'spin' knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something of this, but we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fear something that is evolving that would replace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > levels we have that would not rely on trance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 9, 4:32 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're not being manipulated. You're going after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something you really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want. I think that's different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 8, 9:11 pm, Chuck Bowling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure I can agree with the idea that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education makes us less > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > susceptible to manipulation. In some cases it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may even make us more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > susceptible. Using myself as an example, I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairly well educated with about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 years of college but if you dangle the latest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > high performance graphics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > card or multi-core processor in front of me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you'll have me drooling like a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lobotomy patient in no time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:30 AM, rigsy03 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In regards to manipulation by culture/ads and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the advantage of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education and it continuation in adult life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say it allows us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to see through the obvious exaggeration, lack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of logic and attempt to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create an artificial want/need/desire. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact, the exercise is pretty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humorous but I do admit to having a few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopaholic moments in my own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life so I have also been gullible. > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
