I do think the process of conception and pregnancy is kind of a miracle. That poor little sperm fighting its way upstream to the ripe egg. Reminds me of the salmon runs- by the time they get back to lay their eggs and spawn they are ragged creatures.// So I do think it is a blessing- one only has to think/know of the barren.
On Jun 17, 11:20 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > That's right, RP, the unspeakable God&Creation is of course the aim of this > whole business. I mean, me as an individual can only create God. No one else > can see him. You have to create your own. And if we are lucky, they have > something in common. That's why me, as a woman, needed God to create a child > (thanks for reminding us, Ash). I find this completely logical. :) > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't know about desire but there are motivational forces which > > precede Will. They may be your instincts , your morality , and your > > attachments. ' Will ' is just the vehicle and the motivational forces > > are the drivers. The driver who is the strongest at the moment takes > > over the command of the vehicle , and it is the beauty of God's > > creation that to an individual he himself is the sole driver. Maybe > > the motivational forces are the traffic signals which the ' individual > > will ' follows. > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Just being a spectator here, I know: may we get some anecdotal examples > > out? > > > > My thoughts on this are in agreement with rigsy and RP. Learning about > > the > > > Will is facilitated and refined through understanding my desires. Perhaps > > > Will is the very strong association built up as we explore the terrain of > > > the world in relation to our nature. But watching my 3yr old reminds me > > that > > > there are elements of Will that precede desire, perhaps Will precedes > > Desire > > > but since it is blind/deaf/dumb Desire is the creative element. (?) > > > > On 6/17/2011 6:20 AM, RP Singh wrote: > > > >> Well Rigsy , I think that reason and understanding may also be called > > >> psychological desire , to fit in with your definition , as it carries > > >> along the will on many occasions. > > > >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:57 AM, rigsy03<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> I agree with your division of desire and within those are the degrees > > >>> I think I mentioned. There are different kinds of Will, as well. But I > > >>> shall stick to my guns: Desire preceeds Will and defines the type of > > >>> action to be taken otherwise Will would be wandering around in > > >>> circles. > > > >>> On Jun 16, 1:36 am, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>> Desires are of various kinds : physical , psychological and spiritual. > > >>>> Will is the agent which leads you to the fulfillment of any or , maybe > > >>>> , all three. > > > >>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:37 AM, Contemplative<[email protected]> > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> Hope you don't mind my jumping in.... > > >>>>> To my way of thinking, desire is passive, where-as will is active. > > >>>>> Desiring something does not change anything external to the one with > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> desire. > > >>>>> Will, on the other hand, indicates a change in behavior that leads to > > >>>>> action, whether consciously or sub-consciously. > > >>>>> ...just a thought...- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
