On 6/17/2011 12:20 PM, gabbydott wrote:
That's right, RP, the unspeakable God&Creation is of course the aim of this whole business. I mean, me as an individual can only create God. No one else can see him. You have to create your own. And if we are lucky, they have something in common. That's why me, as a woman, needed God to create a child (thanks for reminding us, Ash). I find this completely logical. :)
Wait, what did I do?! 0.0 *blink*
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, RP Singh <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:I don't know about desire but there are motivational forces which precede Will. They may be your instincts , your morality , and your attachments. ' Will ' is just the vehicle and the motivational forces are the drivers. The driver who is the strongest at the moment takes over the command of the vehicle , and it is the beauty of God's creation that to an individual he himself is the sole driver. Maybe the motivational forces are the traffic signals which the ' individual will ' follows. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Ash <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Just being a spectator here, I know: may we get some anecdotal examples out? > > My thoughts on this are in agreement with rigsy and RP. Learning about the > Will is facilitated and refined through understanding my desires. Perhaps > Will is the very strong association built up as we explore the terrain of > the world in relation to our nature. But watching my 3yr old reminds me that > there are elements of Will that precede desire, perhaps Will precedes Desire > but since it is blind/deaf/dumb Desire is the creative element. (?) > > On 6/17/2011 6:20 AM, RP Singh wrote: >> >> Well Rigsy , I think that reason and understanding may also be called >> psychological desire , to fit in with your definition , as it carries >> along the will on many occasions. >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:57 AM, rigsy03<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> I agree with your division of desire and within those are the degrees >>> I think I mentioned. There are different kinds of Will, as well. But I >>> shall stick to my guns: Desire preceeds Will and defines the type of >>> action to be taken otherwise Will would be wandering around in >>> circles. >>> >>> On Jun 16, 1:36 am, RP Singh<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Desires are of various kinds : physical , psychological and spiritual. >>>> Will is the agent which leads you to the fulfillment of any or , maybe >>>> , all three. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:37 AM, Contemplative<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hope you don't mind my jumping in.... >>>>> To my way of thinking, desire is passive, where-as will is active. >>>>> Desiring something does not change anything external to the one with >>>>> the >>>>> desire. >>>>> Will, on the other hand, indicates a change in behavior that leads to >>>>> action, whether consciously or sub-consciously. >>>>> ...just a thought...- Hide quoted text - >>>> >>>> - Show quoted text - > >
