Satan is a part of Christian belief and the God of the OT is a vengeful sort. How do you explain this? Most religious systems contrast good and evil.
On Jun 17, 8:06 pm, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > If there is a Devil beside God then there would be many gods. > > > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 2:45 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > The Devil might be in charge. How do we know it is God? > > > On Jun 17, 10:29 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't know about desire but there are motivational forces which > >> precede Will. They may be your instincts , your morality , and your > >> attachments. ' Will ' is just the vehicle and the motivational forces > >> are the drivers. The driver who is the strongest at the moment takes > >> over the command of the vehicle , and it is the beauty of God's > >> creation that to an individual he himself is the sole driver. Maybe > >> the motivational forces are the traffic signals which the ' individual > >> will ' follows. > > >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Just being a spectator here, I know: may we get some anecdotal examples > >> > out? > > >> > My thoughts on this are in agreement with rigsy and RP. Learning about > >> > the > >> > Will is facilitated and refined through understanding my desires. Perhaps > >> > Will is the very strong association built up as we explore the terrain of > >> > the world in relation to our nature. But watching my 3yr old reminds me > >> > that > >> > there are elements of Will that precede desire, perhaps Will precedes > >> > Desire > >> > but since it is blind/deaf/dumb Desire is the creative element. (?) > > >> > On 6/17/2011 6:20 AM, RP Singh wrote: > > >> >> Well Rigsy , I think that reason and understanding may also be called > >> >> psychological desire , to fit in with your definition , as it carries > >> >> along the will on many occasions. > > >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:57 AM, rigsy03<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >>> I agree with your division of desire and within those are the degrees > >> >>> I think I mentioned. There are different kinds of Will, as well. But I > >> >>> shall stick to my guns: Desire preceeds Will and defines the type of > >> >>> action to be taken otherwise Will would be wandering around in > >> >>> circles. > > >> >>> On Jun 16, 1:36 am, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >>>> Desires are of various kinds : physical , psychological and spiritual. > >> >>>> Will is the agent which leads you to the fulfillment of any or , maybe > >> >>>> , all three. > > >> >>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:37 AM, Contemplative<[email protected]> > >> >>>> wrote: > > >> >>>>> Hope you don't mind my jumping in.... > >> >>>>> To my way of thinking, desire is passive, where-as will is active. > >> >>>>> Desiring something does not change anything external to the one with > >> >>>>> the > >> >>>>> desire. > >> >>>>> Will, on the other hand, indicates a change in behavior that leads to > >> >>>>> action, whether consciously or sub-consciously. > >> >>>>> ...just a thought...- Hide quoted text - > > >> >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
