If there is a Devil beside God then there would be many gods.
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 2:45 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > The Devil might be in charge. How do we know it is God? > > On Jun 17, 10:29 am, RP Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't know about desire but there are motivational forces which >> precede Will. They may be your instincts , your morality , and your >> attachments. ' Will ' is just the vehicle and the motivational forces >> are the drivers. The driver who is the strongest at the moment takes >> over the command of the vehicle , and it is the beauty of God's >> creation that to an individual he himself is the sole driver. Maybe >> the motivational forces are the traffic signals which the ' individual >> will ' follows. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Ash <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Just being a spectator here, I know: may we get some anecdotal examples >> > out? >> >> > My thoughts on this are in agreement with rigsy and RP. Learning about the >> > Will is facilitated and refined through understanding my desires. Perhaps >> > Will is the very strong association built up as we explore the terrain of >> > the world in relation to our nature. But watching my 3yr old reminds me >> > that >> > there are elements of Will that precede desire, perhaps Will precedes >> > Desire >> > but since it is blind/deaf/dumb Desire is the creative element. (?) >> >> > On 6/17/2011 6:20 AM, RP Singh wrote: >> >> >> Well Rigsy , I think that reason and understanding may also be called >> >> psychological desire , to fit in with your definition , as it carries >> >> along the will on many occasions. >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:57 AM, rigsy03<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> I agree with your division of desire and within those are the degrees >> >>> I think I mentioned. There are different kinds of Will, as well. But I >> >>> shall stick to my guns: Desire preceeds Will and defines the type of >> >>> action to be taken otherwise Will would be wandering around in >> >>> circles. >> >> >>> On Jun 16, 1:36 am, RP Singh<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>> Desires are of various kinds : physical , psychological and spiritual. >> >>>> Will is the agent which leads you to the fulfillment of any or , maybe >> >>>> , all three. >> >> >>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:37 AM, Contemplative<[email protected]> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>> Hope you don't mind my jumping in.... >> >>>>> To my way of thinking, desire is passive, where-as will is active. >> >>>>> Desiring something does not change anything external to the one with >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> desire. >> >>>>> Will, on the other hand, indicates a change in behavior that leads to >> >>>>> action, whether consciously or sub-consciously. >> >>>>> ...just a thought...- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text -
