So here is a plain contradiction then OM. Here you evectivly agree with me that you did indeed make a judgement on my morality. So no deception form me there, and yet when I ask you to tell me by which moral standard you judge, you deem me guilty of sophistry.
I see no sneakyness from me here nor any deception so by you declaring me guilty of such you must be lieing. Explain then what you found sneaky and deceptive? Of course we know the name of the other thing that I must bring up here, an attack on the person rather than the argument is called? On Aug 10, 4:07 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Lee...no lies...but yes, it was sophistry, sneaky and deceptive... and > I do judge. > > On Aug 10, 3:46 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Ohh OM really, come on mate sophistry really? > > > You did not make a vaule judgment on my morality? > > > Look at your own words here my freind, staring with 'Let's see...' and > > ending with 'I just don't get it.' > > > You are not measuring my morality agianst another moral stance here, > > that is not what your words imply at all? > > > I am being somehow sneaky and deceptive when I ask you by what moral > > standard do you measure mine? > > > OM lieing does not become you my freind. > > > On Aug 9, 6:00 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sophistry doesn’t become you Lee. > > > > On Aug 9, 8:17 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Ohh I forgot OM. What you have just made is a judgement on my own > > > > morality, by which moral standard did you judge? > > > > > On Aug 9, 4:06 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Let’s see…to not publically display vehement disregard for draconian > > > > > policies, in effect being compliant and going along with institutions > > > > > that are anti-human and against humanity is being ‘moral’. And, on the > > > > > other hand, following one’s own blind ignorant passions and using > > > > > language with impunity is being ‘moral’ too. I just don’t get it. > > > > > > On Aug 9, 6:40 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Indeed, but my strong morality forbis that! > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 12:34 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Or you could loot and rob which is the current sport. > > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 6:35 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm in the UK Allen. But as I say this suits me, I don';t want > > > > > > > > credit, I don't require deit either. I trust the cash I have > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > hand and if I have not enough cash for a purchase, then I'll > > > > > > > > saveup or > > > > > > > > go without. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 8:55 pm, Allan Heretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Not sure what country you live and bank in even the U S has > > > > > > > > > ATM/debit cards. Because people do not know how to use them.. > > > > > > > > > That is another story,, what I would suggest is go and talk > > > > > > > > > to your banker about just everything your ATM card > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > On 5 aug. 2011, at 14:58, Lee Douglas > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hehh as I say though, my ATM card allows me to do one thing > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > thing only, take money out the ATM. It is not a debit card > > > > > > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > I have one bank account, and in reality it is the same old > > > > > > > > > > building > > > > > > > > > > sociaty savings acount I had since I was a little kid. So > > > > > > > > > > no current > > > > > > > > > > account, no credit or debit, no cheque book, I deal in cash > > > > > > > > > > and cash > > > > > > > > > > only. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 1:31 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> you mean you do not buy your groceries using your ATM > > > > > > > > > >> card? actually I > > > > > > > > > >> know that you can take your ATM card and use it at the > > > > > > > > > >> grocery or any other > > > > > > > > > >> store for that matter that is how business is transacted > > > > > > > > > >> either that or > > > > > > > > > >> cash.. there is no such thing as checks.. > > > > > > > > > >> your ATM card in reality is also a debit card,, all > > > > > > > > > >> though it is not a > > > > > > > > > >> credit card/ debit it is an ATM/debit card.. > > > > > > > > > >> ideal is very popular over here but it is a local dutch > > > > > > > > > >> system involving > > > > > > > > > >> dutch banks only very cool and safe.. > > > > > > > > > >> Allan > > > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Lee Douglas > > > > > > > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>> Ahhh Allan, that may be the case for you, but it is not > > > > > > > > > >>> for me. I do > > > > > > > > > >>> have an ATM card, but it is not a debit card also. > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Aug 5, 7:49 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>> Lee if you have that little card issued by the bank so > > > > > > > > > >>>> you can get your > > > > > > > > > >>>> cash out of a machine that is a debit card then you > > > > > > > > > >>>> have one..and it > > > > > > > > > >>> limits > > > > > > > > > >>>> you to the cash you have on hand.. Personally I like > > > > > > > > > >>>> the electronic > > > > > > > > > >>>> banking here in the Netherlands it and the banking > > > > > > > > > >>>> system is very > > > > > > > > > >>>> excellent.. I personally have no credit cards either > > > > > > > > > >>>> just do not like > > > > > > > > > >>>> them.. My wife has one for emergencies but that is it. > > > > > > > > > >>>> Allan > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Lee Douglas > > > > > > > > > >>>> <[email protected] > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Well Allan, > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> That is exatly the point. I have no credit or debit > > > > > > > > > >>>>> cards. I do it > > > > > > > > > >>>>> on porpouse, I do not wish to live beyond my means. I > > > > > > > > > >>>>> mean of course > > > > > > > > > >>>>> that if I have not the ready cash to pay for somthing, > > > > > > > > > >>>>> then I would > > > > > > > > > >>>>> rather go without it, than owe somebody money for it. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Yes this means that if I do not have the cash to pay > > > > > > > > > >>>>> for something > > > > > > > > > >>>>> then I go without it until I can afford to pay for it. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> But really > > > > > > > > > >>>>> this is the best thing for me. My will power is nil, I > > > > > > > > > >>>>> have a > > > > > > > > > >>>>> massivly addictive personality, so it is best for me to > > > > > > > > > >>>>> live this way, > > > > > > > > > >>>>> if I can't afford it, I will do without it, if I have > > > > > > > > > >>>>> the cash then I > > > > > > > > > >>>>> will have what I want. Credit, debit no no no, don't > > > > > > > > > >>>>> take a chance on > > > > > > > > > >>>>> me with that coz I will fuck you up. And of course by > > > > > > > > > >>>>> fucking you up, > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I'll fuck myself up. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> No no no, it is easy. If I want something and I have > > > > > > > > > >>>>> not the cash to > > > > > > > > > >>>>> pay for it then I'll save until I do have the cash. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Take something > > > > > > > > > >>>>> now and pay for it later! Are you fucking mad? I'll > > > > > > > > > >>>>> fucking knock ya > > > > > > > > > >>>>> mate, don't give me credit, it will get you and me in > > > > > > > > > >>>>> trouble. No no > > > > > > > > > >>>>> no, no cash no purchase. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> This is the way I must live my life. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Aug 4, 8:31 pm, allan deheretic > > > > > > > > > >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Lee to bad you don't live over here yu would just > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> transfer the money > > > > > > > > > >>> to > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> their bank account via a ATM or Debit card depending > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> what you call > > > > > > > > > >>> it,, > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> then the send you the package or you pic it up. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> no need to use a credit card electronic banking can > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> be great.. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Allan > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Lee Douglas > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> <[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I don't e-bay myself Rigsy, I don't do credit and so > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> have no cards. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> As to the supper rich, what is the uses of keeping > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> millions in the > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> bank? I mean you can't spend it all before you die, > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> you can't take > > > > > > > > > >>> it > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> with you, so I guess you leave it to the kids, and > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> then they still > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wont be able to spend it all, nor their kids. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Money simply does not 'trickle down', those who have > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> vast ammounts > > > > > > > > > >>> of > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> it do all they can to keep it, and I can see no > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> logical reasons for > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> doing so. Share the wealth, yes indeed. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Materialism, yes I guess you are right, although I > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> hope not. I > > > > > > > > > >>> think > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> whne the day comes when the whole world is fed and > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> has a nice pile > > > > > > > > > >>> of > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> stuff it may cease to be so important. Once again I > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> must declare > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> 'Robot Work Force' Yeah baby come on, I hope I see > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the day. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Aug 4, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Have you checked out e-bay? Plus the super-rich have > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> not changed > > > > > > > > > >>>>> their > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> desires/shopping patterns as far as I can tell. It > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> will be > > > > > > > > > >>> difficult/ > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> impossible to inhibit materialism as it springs from > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> insecurity > > > > > > > > > >>> or > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> hostility and is held as a positive value in a > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> capitalist > > > > > > > > > >>> society. In > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> a sense, we "barter" cash for goods and services. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 9:47 am, Lee Douglas > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Indeed I am, I don't think bartering is a viable > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> option. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2:51 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> You are talking about the super-rich. Money > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> attracts thieves > > > > > > > > > >>> and > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> lawyers. Most want money to remain independent and > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> "just > > > > > > > > > >>> enough" > > > > > > > > > >>>>> is > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just fine. We could barter. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 6:44 am, Lee Douglas > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Meh! It's all the same ole same ole innit . > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> It's greed plain and simple, I think how much > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> money does > > > > > > > > > >>> one > > > > > > > > > >>>>> perosn > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> need to libe as they wish. > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why do the extreamly rich do all they can to keep > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> their > > > > > > > > > >>> money,- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -... > > read more »
