Since I’ve reminded group members of this group’s standards in a different topic already, I’ll strongly suggest that when things get heated and contentious that we either stop the dialectics and/or start to include evidence – i.e. references for what otherwise is only our opinion which isn’t worth much.
On Aug 5, 1:35 pm, Allan Heretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay, if that is what you believe, then is true for you. Let us end this > discussion. > Allan > > On 5 aug. 2011, at 13:28, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ahhh Allan, that may be the case for you, but it is not for me. I do > > have an ATM card, but it is not a debit card also. > > > On Aug 5, 7:49 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Lee if you have that little card issued by the bank so you can get your > >> cash out of a machine that is a debit card then you have one..and it > >> limits > >> you to the cash you have on hand.. Personally I like the electronic > >> banking here in the Netherlands it and the banking system is very > >> excellent.. I personally have no credit cards either just do not like > >> them.. My wife has one for emergencies but that is it. > >> Allan > > >> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Lee Douglas > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>> Well Allan, > > >>> That is exatly the point. I have no credit or debit cards. I do it > >>> on porpouse, I do not wish to live beyond my means. I mean of course > >>> that if I have not the ready cash to pay for somthing, then I would > >>> rather go without it, than owe somebody money for it. > > >>> Yes this means that if I do not have the cash to pay for something > >>> then I go without it until I can afford to pay for it. But really > >>> this is the best thing for me. My will power is nil, I have a > >>> massivly addictive personality, so it is best for me to live this way, > >>> if I can't afford it, I will do without it, if I have the cash then I > >>> will have what I want. Credit, debit no no no, don't take a chance on > >>> me with that coz I will fuck you up. And of course by fucking you up, > >>> I'll fuck myself up. > > >>> No no no, it is easy. If I want something and I have not the cash to > >>> pay for it then I'll save until I do have the cash. Take something > >>> now and pay for it later! Are you fucking mad? I'll fucking knock ya > >>> mate, don't give me credit, it will get you and me in trouble. No no > >>> no, no cash no purchase. > > >>> This is the way I must live my life. > > >>> On Aug 4, 8:31 pm, allan deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Lee to bad you don't live over here yu would just transfer the money to > >>>> their bank account via a ATM or Debit card depending what you call it,, > >>>> then the send you the package or you pic it up. > >>>> no need to use a credit card electronic banking can be great.. > >>>> Allan > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>>> I don't e-bay myself Rigsy, I don't do credit and so have no cards. > > >>>>> As to the supper rich, what is the uses of keeping millions in the > >>>>> bank? I mean you can't spend it all before you die, you can't take it > >>>>> with you, so I guess you leave it to the kids, and then they still > >>>>> wont be able to spend it all, nor their kids. > > >>>>> Money simply does not 'trickle down', those who have vast ammounts of > >>>>> it do all they can to keep it, and I can see no logical reasons for > >>>>> doing so. Share the wealth, yes indeed. > > >>>>> Materialism, yes I guess you are right, although I hope not. I think > >>>>> whne the day comes when the whole world is fed and has a nice pile of > >>>>> stuff it may cease to be so important. Once again I must declare > >>>>> 'Robot Work Force' Yeah baby come on, I hope I see the day. > > >>>>> On Aug 4, 1:01 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> Have you checked out e-bay? Plus the super-rich have not changed > >>> their > >>>>>> desires/shopping patterns as far as I can tell. It will be difficult/ > >>>>>> impossible to inhibit materialism as it springs from insecurity or > >>>>>> hostility and is held as a positive value in a capitalist society. In > >>>>>> a sense, we "barter" cash for goods and services. > > >>>>>> On Aug 3, 9:47 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>> Indeed I am, I don't think bartering is a viable option. > > >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2:51 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> You are talking about the super-rich. Money attracts thieves and > >>>>>>>> lawyers. Most want money to remain independent and "just enough" > >>> is > >>>>>>>> just fine. We could barter. > > >>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 6:44 am, Lee Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> Meh! It's all the same ole same ole innit . > > >>>>>>>>> It's greed plain and simple, I think how much money does one > >>> perosn > >>>>>>>>> need to libe as they wish. > > >>>>>>>>> Why do the extreamly rich do all they can to keep their money, > >>> I > >>>>> mean > >>>>>>>>> what are they going to do with it? > > >>>>>>>>> Ultimatly we must find a better way, a replacement for material > >>>>>>>>> wealth, and get rid of the whole concept of money. How though > >>>>> ummmm? > > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 8:43 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> Rigsy,, boy are you a sensitive extreme conservative > >>> republican > >>>>>>>>>> as president Rosevelt put it.. a conservative a person with > >>> two > >>>>> perfectly > >>>>>>>>>> good legs and refuses to walk... > > >>>>>>>>>> all wealthy people have no right to live off the poor... > >>> they > >>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>> regardless of political view or party need to pay their share > >>> of > >>>>> taxes! > > >>>>>>>>>> don't tell me that they create job because they don't. > > >>>>>>>>>> as for people sending money to relatives.. you put a maximum > >>>>> that can be > >>>>>>>>>> sent tax free. say 5000 dollars. > >>>>>>>>>> Allan > > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:09 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Who would invest under your system? > > >>>>>>>>>>> What about the government reducing its expenditures by 35%? > > >>>>>>>>>>> Nothing's to stop wealthy Liberals/Democrats from sending > >>> their > >>>>> excess > >>>>>>>>>>> wealth to their government(s)-federal, state, local. Why > >>> don't > >>>>>>>>>>> they? :-) > > >>>>>>>>>>> Immigrants send money to their relatives also. I thought > >>> the > >>>>> world was > >>>>>>>>>>> flat, at last! > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why would people turn their labor/income over to a bloated/ > >>>>>>>>>>> spendthrift/ incompetant government like robots/slaves? > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2:31 am, allan deheretic <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Being american,, I think taxes are necessary but taxes > >>> need > >>>>> to be > >>>>>>>>>>> dependent > >>>>>>>>>>>> income.. the greater the income the greater the taxes.. > >>> and > >>>>> removal of > >>>>>>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>>>> tax exemptions especially on capital gains..... > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I am beginning to think that a petition needs to be > >>>>> circulated placing > >>>>>>>>>>>> a mandatory 35% on income over $250,000.oo with no > >>>>> exemptions. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> That would go a long way to helping the relive the > >>> national > >>>>> debt.. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I also think all nation should have a 35% tax on money > >>>>> leaving a nation.. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Allan > > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> ( > >>>>>>>>>>>> ) > >>>>>>>>>>>> I_D Allan > > >>>>>>>>>>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >>>>>>>>>>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> ( > >>>>>>>>>> ) > >>>>>>>>>> I_D Allan > > >>>>>>>>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >>>>>>>>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text > >>> - > > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>> -- > >>>> ( > >>>> ) > >>>> I_D Allan > > >>>> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >>>> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > >> -- > >> ( > >> ) > >> I_D Allan > > >> If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken > >> Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -
