With due respect to your sentiments , Vam , what to you is Hinduism ----religion , dharma , or both ? If we go by your response to Lee , the answer is ostensibly " Both ". A little turnabout , isn't it ?
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > I'll be a little sharp here, Lee. > > The Panth, Akal Takht, and the Amrit rituals in Sikhism is religion, > Lee. > > Eko Onkar... kindness, compassion, unity in diversity, honesty, > truthfulness... is dharma. > > Religion claim dharma but are not. Dharma claims no religion. It just > is. > > There is nothing more to be said on the topic, to those who may > appreciate and to those who cannot. > > Lee Douglas wrote: >> Heh yep I disagree with Vam, clearly. I see no differance and see >> this as a purely semantic issue. Perhaps Vam simply does not like the >> conitations of the word religion (for some) in his own religion. >> >> I agree that perhaps the word Dharma is not a straight translation of >> the word Religion or indeed the other way around. But the concepts >> are exaclty the same. See RP Singhs post, he has it right I belive. >> >> >> >> On Sep 12, 4:49 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Vam is referring to the old concept of dharma and that has nothing at all >> > to do with religion,, as wit all things in evolution meaning of words also >> > change evolve. Well Lee you and I have different concepts than other >> > people. >> > Allan >> > >> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lee Douglas >> > <[email protected]>wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > I'll say it again. I find no differance between the concepts of >> > > dharma and religoin. >> > >> > > What is the point of dharmic practice, what is the point of religious >> > > practice? >> > >> > > On Sep 10, 8:32 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > Therefore ? I didn't see the logic. >> > >> > > > Dharma is universal values... I agree that isn't very universal ! >> > >> > > > rigsy03 wrote: >> > > > > How is one instructed by Dharma except by tradition? Therefore it >> > > > > does >> > > > > not exist as a Universal. >> > >> > > > > On Sep 9, 10:12 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts generally >> > > > > > expressed here : >> > >> > > > > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct, meaning >> > > > > > as >> > > > > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation, >> > > > > > believing >> > > > > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion drives >> > > > > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled loot. >> > >> > > > > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole universe of >> > > > > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in and of >> > > which >> > > > > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which they >> > > > > > are >> > > > > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do the >> > > > > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the freedom and >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their respective >> > > > > > consequences. >> > >> > > > > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to >> > > > > > universal >> > > > > > values and truths." >> > >> > > > > > ornamentalmind wrote: >> > > > > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly monotheistic? Most >> > > that >> > > > > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you say some >> > > do. >> > >> > > > > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the terms used >> > > are >> > > > > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases in >> > > > > > > such >> > > a >> > > > > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been his >> > > intent! >> > >> > > > > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions to many >> > > eastern >> > > > > > > > and western religions that do none of those three. >> > >> > > > > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things : >> > > > > > > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with >> > > another >> > > > > > > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and >> > > ideology >> > > > > > > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, >> > > > > > > > > physical >> > > and >> > > > > > > > > mental fear and reward. >> > >> > > > > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic ways of >> > > living do >> > > > > > > > > none of these. >> > >> > > > > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the West >> > > > > > > > > and >> > > Middle >> > > > > > > > > East believe in and understand !- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > > > - Show quoted text - >> > >> > -- >> > ( >> > ) >> > |_D Allan >> > >> > live is for moral, ethical and truthful living.- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text -
