Fantastic. I commented on a bunch of them. dj
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>wrote: > Gabby, I hope you approve. I tried my best to follow rule #10: > > > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150334273466494.348470.722681493&l=b50118df79&type=1 > > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Chris Jenkins <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> Actually, we all brought garbage bags, and cleaned up after ourselves. As >> for finding a job, I've been on the market for over 18 months, with a solid, >> industry professional resume, and have found nothing. Meanwhile, many of my >> former colleagues have joined my ranks. >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> The biased media and comics have been trashing conservatives and >>> ridiculing the Tea Party and various candidiates so you have to expect >>> some payback. >>> >>> How do these protestors expect to find a job or stay in school if they >>> spend all their time protesting? Who will pay for the clean-up? What >>> business would risk hiring these people? >>> >>> Most loot is not easily transported. :-) >>> >>> On Oct 6, 9:40 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > I scanned it and agree, a bit bullshitty but one must admire the >>> hopeful >>> > tone the writer emits. So the Occupiers are all about coming together >>> if not >>> > completely cogent on their reasons for doing so. Where the Tea Party, >>> to me, >>> > has mostly been about tax and spending cuts Tthe Occupiers seem, again >>> to >>> > me(it's a shame it's still so unclear) to be all about political >>> corporate >>> > favoritism. I would hesitate to label the 99%ers as Class Warriors >>> although >>> > many of their organizers seem to have this at the top of their agenda. >>> > >>> > I'm disappointed in the rhetoric from Conservative mouthpieces like >>> Limbaugh >>> > that are trashing the movement. Ridiculing the protestors and so forth. >>> It >>> > would make more sense to recognize that there are those that are having >>> some >>> > tough times and try to help educate those disaffected folks on the real >>> > problems which isn't rich people per se. It's bad government. By both >>> > Republicans and Democrats. In a nutshell, too much wasteful spending >>> and not >>> > enough pin-pointed economic stimulus spending. >>> > >>> > Thanks for the link to the Boston Group Arch I'll probably read it >>> again >>> > soon. These economist make sense but the real problem is going to be >>> coming >>> > up with something everyone can swallow. We sure don't need our very own >>> > Reign Of Terror. Nobody wants to give in here. If I was rich I'd be >>> tired of >>> > being called the bad guy all the time unless I really was the bad guy >>> in >>> > which case I wouldn't care a fig. I'd take my loot and go somewhere >>> else. >>> > God help us all. >>> > >>> > dj >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:02 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > There's a take on Occupy Wall Street at >>> > >>> > > >>> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics... >>> > > - that sounds like Allan - a bit bullshitty (sorry Al - not you) >>> Chris >>> > > but an interesting take. >>> > >>> > > I can't stand any standard politics now. It's madness. >>> > >>> > > On Oct 6, 8:36 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > I think there is where the problem lies,, several decades ago the >>> > > > revolution was bassed off ideology differences (the Little Red >>> Book) >>> > > this >>> > > > really was not a valid reason.. >>> > >>> > > > today I see >>> > > >>> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics...differentworld,, >>> especially in the US also to a >>> > > > lesser extent Europe.. in the US there are other problems there >>> are >>> > > > existing undergrounds outside of police intelligence,, there are >>> massive >>> > > > amounts of weapons out of site and out of mind and other than the >>> owner >>> > > no >>> > > > one knows about them.. Even I still have guns and I no longer live >>> > > there.. >>> > >>> > > > The US is extremely Large,, there is also a large community of >>> motor >>> > > homes >>> > > > which have the ability move and potentially lower the cost of >>> living.. >>> > > > and organize.. the police are not unsympathetic either as they >>> often >>> > > times >>> > > > in the same or similar situation.. >>> > >>> > > > I do believe co-op-s will become more plentiful, underground work >>> will >>> > > > become more prevalent.. it will change,, I think the start is in >>> > > > eliminating the political corruption that is so embedded.. >>> > > > sigh >>> > > > Allan >>> > >>> > > > I hate change .. but greed is so wide spread.. a tremendous lose >>> > > > of spirituality ,, but fundamentalism may have some perks in the >>> end,, >>> > >>> > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Chris Jenkins < >>> > > [email protected]>wrote: >>> > >>> > > > > I see BoA as an infinitely powerful entity, and can't imagine the >>> > > behemoth >>> > > > > falling. >>> > > > > On Oct 5, 2011 10:18 PM, "archytas" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > > Pruning ain't the metaphor I'd choose Chris. Dexia Bank has >>> just gone >>> > > > > > belly-up - it was 'worth' more than Belgium's GDP. The 'money' >>> in the >>> > > > > > banking scam is at factors of ten in comparison with the world >>> of >>> > > real >>> > > > > > work. My view is that it's in the way of capitalism and >>> democracy. >>> > > > > > The informed guess is they've been lending to crooks on a scale >>> > > vastly >>> > > > > > bigger than the barrel-loads of dollars gone in Iraq and >>> Afghanistan >>> > > > > > without securing any 'mineral rights'. The kleft stick is that >>> they >>> > > > > > can only make money through the same old scams, so whatever we >>> put >>> > > > > > back in (and I mean we) just does it all over again. In an >>> > > > > > oversimplified way, much of the debt is like you owing me $2 >>> million, >>> > > > > > Don owing 'Francois' $5 million, me owing Molly (etc.) in an >>> equation >>> > > > > > in which, if we cancelled out we're all solvent and I owe Orn a >>> beer >>> > > > > > he won'r drink. What goes in the cancelling is the banks - the >>> debts >>> > > > > > are so networked it's almost like the $2 million you owe me is >>> > > > > > balanced by $1.99 million I owe to people who owe you. I've >>> been >>> > > > > > teaching the EU figures if anyone is interested (they just tell >>> this >>> > > > > > story between EU countries). >>> > >>> > > > > > We've finally seen some reporting here. A Wall Street guy came >>> on and >>> > > > > > said he was amazed more people weren't protesting as he thought >>> true >>> > > > > > unemployment was at 15% - which is what I reckon here. The real >>> issue >>> > > > > > to me is jobs and wages. A key figure for me is that the bottom >>> 50% >>> > > > > > back in 1980 had 14% of liquid assets (cash more or less) and >>> that's >>> > > > > > down to 1% now. Wages have fallen. The debt problem starts >>> around >>> > > > > > 1965 and it's similar in form to similar ones around gold >>> rushes in >>> > > > > > history. Most people I've seen on television or met in >>> Manchester >>> > > > > > don't know much of the economics but are sick of the lack of >>> > > > > > opportunity. >>> > >>> > > > > > I was left a house when my cousin died and had to drop the >>> price by a >>> > > > > > fifth to sell. There's no decent unskilled or engineering work >>> around >>> > > > > > here and jobs are being lost at some rate. Just up the road we >>> have >>> > > > > > 64 years of UK energy supply as shale gas about to be >>> exploited. I >>> > > > > > worked on the survey 25 years back. You'd think we'd have a >>> plan >>> > > > > > around this but there isn't one. >>> > >>> > > > > > Political blather is just about getting the economy moving, our >>> > > people >>> > > > > > working. It's all dross. Interestingly, our Republicans >>> couldn't >>> > > > > > even fill the seats for the Prime Minister's speech. He's not a >>> half- >>> > > > > > wit like Palin but he's claiming his government has dealt with >>> the >>> > > > > > banks - yet two of the one's we bailed out are still making the >>> kinds >>> > > > > > of losses they were before 2008. One of them,HBOS, was running >>> a >>> > > > > > criminal scam that closed many small companies and is not >>> cooperating >>> > > > > > with the limited police enquiries. >>> > >>> > > > > > I don't think most people know how bad it all is yet. The >>> collapse of >>> > > > > > Soc. Gen. and Bank of America should do it - B o A could even >>> end up >>> > > > > > Chinese. There are underlying questions on how we get fed if it >>> all >>> > > > > > collapses - after all, we're still growing the food. >>> > >>> > > > > > On Oct 5, 9:43 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > >> Great time to live,, revolution is always exciting. Maybe if >>> the >>> > > > > bankers >>> > > > > >> and stock market wake up. >>> > >>> > > > > >> Do corporations still agree obey the laws of the state and the >>> > > United >>> > > > > >> state.. and if they don't do they lose their corporate skirt >>> > > > > >> Allan >>> > > > > >> On Oct 5, 2011 7:37 PM, "Chris Jenkins" < >>> > > [email protected]> >>> > > > > wrote: >>> > >>> > > > > >> > Citizens United was one of the worst rulings in the entire >>> history >>> > > of >>> > > > > the >>> > > > > >> > Supreme Court. >>> > >>> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Comm >>> . >>> > > > > .. >>> > >>> > > > > >> > Restricting unions while empowering corporations in >>> political >>> > > speech >>> > > > > is one >>> > > > > >> > of the root problems that Occupy hopes to address. >>> > >>> > > > > >> > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ornamentalmind < >>> > > > > [email protected] >>> > > > > >> > > wrote: >>> > >>> > > > > >> >> It looks like the unions are entering into the fray. No >>> doubt >>> > > this >>> > > > > >> >> will accelerate the attacks on them… such as the proposals >>> to >>> > > greatly >>> > > > > >> >> limit and/or not allow political contributions. Perhaps if >>> they >>> > > > > >> >> incorporated…. >>> > >>> > > > > >>> http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/5/as_unions_students_join_occupy_. >>> > > .. >>> > >>> > > > > >> >> On Oct 5, 8:02 am, Chris Jenkins < >>> [email protected]> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > > > >> >> > And thus the need for education. CDO Swaps and other bits >>> of >>> > > > > banking >>> > > > > >> >> > nastiness that prune money from the system while >>> contributing >>> > > > > nothing to >>> > > > > >> >> it >>> > > > > >> >> > are part of the problem. >>> > >>> > > > > >> >> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:35 PM, archytas < >>> [email protected]> >>> > > > > wrote: >>> > > > > >> >> > > We have Occupy here too - a few tent cities so far - >>> people >>> > > also >>> > > > > >> >> > > making the point they ain't left-wing loonies. I went >>> to the >>> > > > > >> >> > > Manchester one yesterday to ask a few people 'why'? >>> I'm not >>> > > sure >>> > > > > >> >> > > heard much that was accurate. Might have a look at >>> Greece >>> > > nearer >>> > > > > >> >> > > Xmas. Most peopleI met yesterday didn't know what >>> > > collateral- >>> > > > > >> >> > > derivative fractional banking was. >>> > >>> > > > > >> >> > > On Oct 4, 2:40 pm, Chris Jenkins < >>> [email protected] >>> > >>> > > > > wrote: >>> > > > > >> >> > > > Well then, reckon we should all grab shovels, yes? >>> > > > > >> >> > > > On Oct 4, 2011 9:03 AM, "archytas" < >>> [email protected]> >>> > > wrote: >>> > >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > I guess my picture of normal, Chris, would be of an >>> > > ostrich >>> > > > > with >>> > > > > >> >> its >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > head in the sand - these being the people not doing >>> > > > > occupation. >>> > >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > On Oct 4, 8:41 am, Allan H <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> It is good to see you again Chris and Don.. >>> > >>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> I was thinking (I know a rare event) last night >>> only to >>> > > have >>> > > > > the >>> > > > > >> >> topic >>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> return this morning.. >>> > >>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> After watching all the demonstrations some thing >>> emerged >>> > > > > that >>> > > > > >> >> does not >>> > > > > >> >> > > > make >>> > > > > >> >> > > > >> sense to me nor do I understand. maybe some one >>> can >>> > > > > straighten me >>> > >>> > ... >>> > >>> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > - Show quoted text - >>> >> >> >
