You are right some of the students 'know' James - especially the mature ones.
On Feb 2, 6:55 am, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > R U OK James? > Allan > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:07 AM, James Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: > > Oops, wrong thread! Ringing head, dizziness, and nausea are starting > > to bug me, distracting too. Enough already. Be well everyone. :) > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM, James Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: > > > If you don't think your students pick up on a slight hesitation or > > > unconscious facial signal that a theory is bunk I think you are > > > selling yourself short Neil. We are in a rapidly changing world, but > > > some things haven't, conscience for example, you have the haves and > > > have-nots. I think there is compelling evidence that we could live > > > more fulfilling lives in the service to mankind, but when faced with > > > the decision to sink or float/soar many are doing what they think is > > > necessary even if it is rotting at the core of civilisation. We will > > > craft our beliefs of right and wrong to fit the world we know, mostly > > > I think. Identity and seeing oneself in the mirror helps but requires > > > more than a single image as we need comparisons, it would help to say > > > hey something else would work and people are doing it. A new labor > > > class perhaps, philosophically motivated? > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:40 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> I think we are always stuck in an irrational situation, generally the > > >> makings of others. Science makes some kind of clearing for > > >> rationality and inventiveness. Heidegger opined on clearings as being > > >> amongst the real things of the world rather than facing them in > > >> thought 'where the backs were missing, but that didn't help him see > > >> the Nazis for what they were. One can probably "curl up" by taking > > >> action - as a cop in a pub brawl or whatever our countries ask of us > > >> as soldiers, our societies of mothers and so on. I've found myself > > >> coping in action fully aware of its ludicrous nature and wondering if > > >> there is any freedom from it other than that given by adrenaline and > > >> the steel put in in training to do the noxious. > > >> There's a strange rationale that we somehow have to do what's right in > > >> what is already an irrational mess and act as though rational against > > >> some bigger picture that we are the good guys - a view unseated > > >> everywhere by realistic history. The question for me is whether we > > >> can do much with our knowledge in a world in which few will give up on > > >> the comfort of knowing very little. > > > >> On Feb 1, 11:50 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> Also- I think if we really knew the consequences of our acts and > > >>> choices we might just curl up into a ball and do nothing. One friend > > >>> and I chuckle that we're all pretty much on an assembly line... > > > >>> On Feb 1, 5:27 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > Just to clarify my thought- that luck and timing can be good, bad or > > >>> > indifferent. Also rather than active thinking being a debate, it is > > >>> > more like selection. Literature and social sciences deal with layered > > >>> > communication- for instance, withholding facts, feelings or motives. > > >>> > It is often called discretion. :-) How do you mean "identity"? > > > >>> > On Jan 31, 11:09 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > > The 'making sense of things later' seems true even in the split > > second > > >>> > > in brain research. I regard all strategy as retrospectively > > devised! > > >>> > > There's a book just out by Hill and Myatt (economists) on just how > > >>> > > facile economics teaching is in universities - but this contains > > >>> > > nothing on how this has happened. Some of this seems to me > > connected > > >>> > > with a lack of movement beyond identity Molly. > > > >>> > > On Jan 31, 1:30 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > > > Part of human nature is to identify with people, thoughts, ideas > > >>> > > > around us. Being able to witness your identification, and moving > > >>> > > > beyond it is the real treasure. > > > >>> > > > On Jan 29, 9:10 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > Molly your question has my mind running around its dust bins. > > Most my > > >>> > > > > thoughts are not original but more composites of other ideas. > > They are like > > >>> > > > > hand me downs,, like the 3D image comes from watching how > > people search > > >>> > > > > for treasure on sunken vessels, it is rags from a different > > ?idea?. > > > >>> > > > > My world is a world of rags in the form of other ideas. > > >>> > > > > Allan > > >>> > > > > On Jan 29, 2012 8:21 PM, "Allan H" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > > > Yeah it is kind of like an old dog sappen on his favorite > > bone. > > > >>> > > > > > it is trying to understand others, and what I have > > experienced As I have > > >>> > > > > > very few friends that like discussing God I talk to myself > > a lot..which is > > >>> > > > > > no problem as I am never really alone,. > > >>> > > > > > Allan > > > >>> > > > > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Molly <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >> Not at all irrelevant. did you have more thoughts about > > this? > > > >>> > > > > >> On Jan 28, 10:19 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > > > >> > Hi Mol&Rigs, listening to you two I've been asking myself > > why none of > > >>> > > > > >> > you mentions Jung and his description of the collective > > unconscious. I > > >>> > > > > >> > haven't read the Red Book yet, but maybe of of you has > > and could tell > > >>> > > > > >> > me why this is irrelevant to what you are discussing. > > > >>> > > > > >> > On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >> > > The paramount paradox. > > > >>> > > > > >> > > On Jan 27, 8:21 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > Yes- I've read a lot of Campbell and admire his > > efforts. In fact, I > > >>> > > > > >> > > > was going to put the Oriental Mythology of his Masks > > of God series > > >>> > > > > >> > > > aside to reread- Indian, Chinese and Japanese > > chapters. I wish I > > >>> > > > > >> could > > >>> > > > > >> > > > keep certain studies on top of my thinking but maybe > > I have read so > > >>> > > > > >> > > > much there is a chute to forgetfulness or a pit of > > scrambled > > >>> > > > > >> > > > ideas! :-) Oh, dear! > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > However, back to your comment about looking > > back/within. I consider > > >>> > > > > >> > > > there is impossible split between the spiritual and > > material and yet > > >>> > > > > >> > > > that is our struggle to bridge- if possible. > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > On Jan 27, 6:32 am, Molly <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > Do myths disappear? Joseph Campbell mapped common > > human myth > > >>> > > > > >> around > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > the word and through time to discover a mechanism > > something close > > >>> > > > > >> to > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > common memory - the expression of the same > > archetypes in real > > >>> > > > > >> time, > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > isolated incidents around the globe and at the same > > time. This > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > phenomena has occurred throughout human history. > > This may tell us > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > that it is not the looking back that is important, > > but as Vam > > >>> > > > > >> says, > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > looking within. > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > On Jan 26, 5:54 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > What is original? I might argue that one is > > simply explicating > > >>> > > > > >> what > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > already exists. > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > Each generation assumes it has a distinct > > character- or needs > > >>> > > > > >> to prove > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > that it has. > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > Was thinking the reason myths disappear is > > because they were > > >>> > > > > >> oral and > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > native languages are usually suppressed by the > > conquerors. One > > >>> > > > > >> also > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > carries family myths- which interfere with deep > > communication. > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes- there are terrible inequities- all the more > > scandalous > > >>> > > > > >> because > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > there really is plenty to go around so the root > > is greed and > > >>> > > > > >> distain > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > for others. Governments only pretend to care for > > all its > > >>> > > > > >> citizens- it > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > picks and chooses. > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > We passed the Gilded Age- I would call this the > > Tinsel Age. > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > On Jan 25, 9:45 am, archytas <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > I would say, Vam, that you often jump in the > > water with an > > >>> > > > > >> 'entourage' > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > of assumptive baggage. I probably dislike > > citation more than > > >>> > > > > >> you and > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > am not the first. Veblen would be a good start > > (to use some > > >>> > > > > >> rough > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > citation). These days, you can at least Google > > the name. > > >>> > > > > >> When I > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > started it meant a trip to the library. Anyone > > who has the > > >>> > > > > >> chance to > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > read a lot of what's available (this is still > > remarkably few) > > >>> > > > > >> should > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > discover most of what they thought their own > > ideas have been > > >>> > > > > >> done > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > before. The idea is no doubt to try to 'stand > > on the > > >>> > > > > >> shoulders of > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > giants' (itself a wisecrack by Newton on > > Hooke's dwarfish > > >>> > > > > >> stature). > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > The 'giants' always turn out flawed. Moses is > > a war criminal > > >>> > > > > >> in > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Numbers 31, the Greeks, for all their argument, > > never > > ... > > read more »
