Ears can be a serious problem. I physically ruptured one of mine free diving, salt water burns an infected throat.. I was very very luck as it healed with out problems. Allan
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 2:32 AM, James Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: > I certainly hope it will clear up soon, the doc thinks it is because > of my inner ear. Haven't felt like this since highschool, sustained > disorientation for several days that is. O.@ With self discipline I've > learned to control the nausea a bit but learned that driving with > someone talking loudly I cannot manage so well.. Thanks for asking. :) > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > > R U OK James? > > Allan > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:07 AM, James Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Oops, wrong thread! Ringing head, dizziness, and nausea are starting > >> to bug me, distracting too. Enough already. Be well everyone. :) > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM, James Lynch <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > If you don't think your students pick up on a slight hesitation or > >> > unconscious facial signal that a theory is bunk I think you are > >> > selling yourself short Neil. We are in a rapidly changing world, but > >> > some things haven't, conscience for example, you have the haves and > >> > have-nots. I think there is compelling evidence that we could live > >> > more fulfilling lives in the service to mankind, but when faced with > >> > the decision to sink or float/soar many are doing what they think is > >> > necessary even if it is rotting at the core of civilisation. We will > >> > craft our beliefs of right and wrong to fit the world we know, mostly > >> > I think. Identity and seeing oneself in the mirror helps but requires > >> > more than a single image as we need comparisons, it would help to say > >> > hey something else would work and people are doing it. A new labor > >> > class perhaps, philosophically motivated? > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:40 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> I think we are always stuck in an irrational situation, generally the > >> >> makings of others. Science makes some kind of clearing for > >> >> rationality and inventiveness. Heidegger opined on clearings as > being > >> >> amongst the real things of the world rather than facing them in > >> >> thought 'where the backs were missing, but that didn't help him see > >> >> the Nazis for what they were. One can probably "curl up" by taking > >> >> action - as a cop in a pub brawl or whatever our countries ask of us > >> >> as soldiers, our societies of mothers and so on. I've found myself > >> >> coping in action fully aware of its ludicrous nature and wondering if > >> >> there is any freedom from it other than that given by adrenaline and > >> >> the steel put in in training to do the noxious. > >> >> There's a strange rationale that we somehow have to do what's right > in > >> >> what is already an irrational mess and act as though rational against > >> >> some bigger picture that we are the good guys - a view unseated > >> >> everywhere by realistic history. The question for me is whether we > >> >> can do much with our knowledge in a world in which few will give up > on > >> >> the comfort of knowing very little. > >> >> > >> >> On Feb 1, 11:50 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> Also- I think if we really knew the consequences of our acts and > >> >>> choices we might just curl up into a ball and do nothing. One friend > >> >>> and I chuckle that we're all pretty much on an assembly line... > >> >>> > >> >>> On Feb 1, 5:27 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Just to clarify my thought- that luck and timing can be good, bad > or > >> >>> > indifferent. Also rather than active thinking being a debate, it > is > >> >>> > more like selection. Literature and social sciences deal with > >> >>> > layered > >> >>> > communication- for instance, withholding facts, feelings or > motives. > >> >>> > It is often called discretion. :-) How do you mean "identity"? > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Jan 31, 11:09 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > > The 'making sense of things later' seems true even in the split > >> >>> > > second > >> >>> > > in brain research. I regard all strategy as retrospectively > >> >>> > > devised! > >> >>> > > There's a book just out by Hill and Myatt (economists) on just > how > >> >>> > > facile economics teaching is in universities - but this contains > >> >>> > > nothing on how this has happened. Some of this seems to me > >> >>> > > connected > >> >>> > > with a lack of movement beyond identity Molly. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > On Jan 31, 1:30 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > Part of human nature is to identify with people, thoughts, > ideas > >> >>> > > > around us. Being able to witness your identification, and > >> >>> > > > moving > >> >>> > > > beyond it is the real treasure. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > On Jan 29, 9:10 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > Molly your question has my mind running around its dust > bins. > >> >>> > > > > Most my > >> >>> > > > > thoughts are not original but more composites of other > ideas. > >> >>> > > > > They are like > >> >>> > > > > hand me downs,, like the 3D image comes from watching how > >> >>> > > > > people search > >> >>> > > > > for treasure on sunken vessels, it is rags from a different > >> >>> > > > > ?idea?. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > My world is a world of rags in the form of other ideas. > >> >>> > > > > Allan > >> >>> > > > > On Jan 29, 2012 8:21 PM, "Allan H" <[email protected]> > >> >>> > > > > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > > Yeah it is kind of like an old dog sappen on his > favorite > >> >>> > > > > > bone. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > > it is trying to understand others, and what I have > >> >>> > > > > > experienced As I have > >> >>> > > > > > very few friends that like discussing God I talk to > myself > >> >>> > > > > > a lot..which is > >> >>> > > > > > no problem as I am never really alone,. > >> >>> > > > > > Allan > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Molly < > [email protected]> > >> >>> > > > > > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> Not at all irrelevant. did you have more thoughts about > >> >>> > > > > >> this? > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> On Jan 28, 10:19 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >>> > > > > >> > Hi Mol&Rigs, listening to you two I've been asking > myself > >> >>> > > > > >> > why none of > >> >>> > > > > >> > you mentions Jung and his description of the collective > >> >>> > > > > >> > unconscious. I > >> >>> > > > > >> > haven't read the Red Book yet, but maybe of of you has > >> >>> > > > > >> > and could tell > >> >>> > > > > >> > me why this is irrelevant to what you are discussing. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > The paramount paradox. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > On Jan 27, 8:21 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > Yes- I've read a lot of Campbell and admire his > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > efforts. In fact, I > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > was going to put the Oriental Mythology of his > Masks > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > of God series > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > aside to reread- Indian, Chinese and Japanese > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > chapters. I wish I > >> >>> > > > > >> could > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > keep certain studies on top of my thinking but > maybe > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > I have read so > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > much there is a chute to forgetfulness or a pit of > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > scrambled > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > ideas! :-) Oh, dear! > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > However, back to your comment about looking > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > back/within. I consider > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > there is impossible split between the spiritual and > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > material and yet > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > that is our struggle to bridge- if possible. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > On Jan 27, 6:32 am, Molly <[email protected]> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > Do myths disappear? Joseph Campbell mapped > common > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > human myth > >> >>> > > > > >> around > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > the word and through time to discover a mechanism > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > something close > >> >>> > > > > >> to > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > common memory - the expression of the same > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > archetypes in real > >> >>> > > > > >> time, > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > isolated incidents around the globe and at the > same > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > time. This > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > phenomena has occurred throughout human history. > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > This may tell us > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > that it is not the looking back that is > important, > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > but as Vam > >> >>> > > > > >> says, > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > looking within. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > On Jan 26, 5:54 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > What is original? I might argue that one is > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > simply explicating > >> >>> > > > > >> what > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > already exists. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > Each generation assumes it has a distinct > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > character- or needs > >> >>> > > > > >> to prove > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > that it has. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > Was thinking the reason myths disappear is > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > because they were > >> >>> > > > > >> oral and > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > native languages are usually suppressed by the > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > conquerors. One > >> >>> > > > > >> also > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > carries family myths- which interfere with deep > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > communication. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes- there are terrible inequities- all the > more > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > scandalous > >> >>> > > > > >> because > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > there really is plenty to go around so the root > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > is greed and > >> >>> > > > > >> distain > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > for others. Governments only pretend to care > for > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > all its > >> >>> > > > > >> citizens- it > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > picks and chooses. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > We passed the Gilded Age- I would call this the > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > Tinsel Age. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > On Jan 25, 9:45 am, archytas < > [email protected]> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > I would say, Vam, that you often jump in the > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > water with an > >> >>> > > > > >> 'entourage' > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > of assumptive baggage. I probably dislike > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > citation more than > >> >>> > > > > >> you and > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > am not the first. Veblen would be a good > start > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > (to use some > >> >>> > > > > >> rough > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > citation). These days, you can at least > Google > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > the name. > >> >>> > > > > >> When I > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > started it meant a trip to the library. > Anyone > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > who has the > >> >>> > > > > >> chance to > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > read a lot of what's available (this is still > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > remarkably few) > >> >>> > > > > >> should > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > discover most of what they thought their own > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > ideas have been > >> >>> > > > > >> done > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > before. The idea is no doubt to try to > 'stand > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > on the > >> >>> > > > > >> shoulders of > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > giants' (itself a wisecrack by Newton on > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Hooke's dwarfish > >> >>> > > > > >> stature). > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > The 'giants' always turn out flawed. Moses > is > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > a war criminal > >> >>> > > > > >> in > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Numbers 31, the Greeks, for all their > argument, > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > never > >> >>> > > > > >> produced a > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > decent one against slavery (the > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > lunatic-religious John Brown > >> >>> > > > > >> being > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > better). Many, because they don't read > enough, > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > attribute > >> >>> > > > > >> 'relativity' > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > to Einstein, but it has a longer and wider > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > history. The > >> >>> > > > > >> chattering > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > class reinvents the square wheel all over the > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > place. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > What if the best of our system is fascist and > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > we have grown > >> >>> > > > > >> in such > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > culture, or a caste system? By what > processes > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > do we get an > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > understanding for change from such? Western > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > propaganda would > >> >>> > > > > >> have us > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > believe pouring resources into the gullets of > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > the rich is > >> >>> > > > > >> sensible. > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > We all live in the gutter. Only some of us > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > lift our eyes to > >> >>> > > > > >> the > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > stars. If only I was smart enough to have > been > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > first to > >> >>> > > > > >> that! (Oscar > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Wilde) A common jibe by academics is that > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > common sense is > >> >>> > > > > >> that which > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > allows us to believe the world is flat - yet > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > flat-earth was an > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > academic construction - one can actually see > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > the curvature of > >> >>> > > > > >> the > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Earth. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > What we need is reliable collective memory. > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Given our > >> >>> > > > > >> capacity to > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > pervert, citation is usually used in a highly > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > selective > >> >>> > > > > >> manner, > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > usually along with a core academic (religious > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > etc.) narrative > >> >>> > > > > >> of > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > exclusion of competing argument. Control of > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > what is reliable > >> >>> > > > > >> memory > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > is, of course, just what those in power want > to > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > maintain - > >> >>> > > > > >> perhaps > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > through principles of Home and Vanity. I > will > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > always prefer > >> >>> > > > > >> the > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > margins to this, remembering that to oppose > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > tyranny can > >> >>> > > > > >> pervert into > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > its support. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Deconstruction is only a beginning. I > believe > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > its spirit > >> >>> > > > > >> concerns a > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > defeat of madness that includes rationalist > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > fantasy and animal > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > consensus (which I sense as grasping, selfish > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > individualism > >> >>> > > > > >> easy to > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > rule). > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > On Jan 25, 3:26 am, Vam < > [email protected]> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > "Is this not an important part of the > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > dynamic > >> >>> > > > > >> multidimensional mind > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vam, can you find nothing of value with > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > meeting this view > >> >>> > > > > >> at least as > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > a challenge?" > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > James, starting with God is a bad idea. > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Perhaps, ending up > >> >>> > > > > >> at it is > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > what needs to happen. Dawkins was in Jaipur > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > here and I > >> >>> > > > > >> found his view > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > a lot more balanced, less bigoted and > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > militant. > >> >>> > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > And Neil is right : it must deal with > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > morality. Where his > >> >>> > > > > >> discourse > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > runs dry is when he is quoting other > people ! > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > That is also > >> >>> > > > > >> my > >> >>> > >> >>> ... > >> >>> > >> >>> read more ยป > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > |_D Allan > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living. > > > > > > > -- ( ) |_D Allan Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
