Ears can be a serious problem. I physically ruptured one of mine free
diving, salt water burns an infected throat.. I was very very luck as it
healed with out problems.
Allan

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 2:32 AM, James Lynch <[email protected]> wrote:

> I certainly hope it will clear up soon, the doc thinks it is because
> of my inner ear. Haven't felt like this since highschool, sustained
> disorientation for several days that is. O.@ With self discipline I've
> learned to control the nausea a bit but learned that driving with
> someone talking loudly I cannot manage so well.. Thanks for asking. :)
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
> > R U OK James?
> > Allan
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:07 AM, James Lynch <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Oops, wrong thread! Ringing head, dizziness, and nausea are starting
> >> to bug me, distracting too. Enough already. Be well everyone. :)
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM, James Lynch <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> > If you don't think your students pick up on a slight hesitation or
> >> > unconscious facial signal that a theory is bunk I think you are
> >> > selling yourself short Neil. We are in a rapidly changing world, but
> >> > some things haven't, conscience for example, you have the haves and
> >> > have-nots. I think there is compelling evidence that we could live
> >> > more fulfilling lives in the service to mankind, but when faced with
> >> > the decision to sink or float/soar many are doing what they think is
> >> > necessary even if it is rotting at the core of civilisation. We will
> >> > craft our beliefs of right and wrong to fit the world we know, mostly
> >> > I think. Identity and seeing oneself in the mirror helps but requires
> >> > more than a single image as we need comparisons, it would help to say
> >> > hey something else would work and people are doing it. A new labor
> >> > class perhaps, philosophically motivated?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:40 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> I think we are always stuck in an irrational situation, generally the
> >> >> makings of others.  Science makes some kind of clearing for
> >> >> rationality and inventiveness.  Heidegger opined on clearings as
> being
> >> >> amongst the real things of the world rather than facing them in
> >> >> thought 'where the backs were missing, but that didn't help him see
> >> >> the Nazis for what they were.  One can probably "curl up" by taking
> >> >> action - as a cop in a pub brawl or whatever our countries ask of us
> >> >> as soldiers, our societies of mothers and so on.  I've found myself
> >> >> coping in action fully aware of its ludicrous nature and wondering if
> >> >> there is any freedom from it other than that given by adrenaline and
> >> >> the steel put in in training to do the noxious.
> >> >> There's a strange rationale that we somehow have to do what's right
> in
> >> >> what is already an irrational mess and act as though rational against
> >> >> some bigger picture that we are the good guys - a view unseated
> >> >> everywhere by realistic history.  The question for me is whether we
> >> >> can do much with our knowledge in a world in which few will give up
> on
> >> >> the comfort of knowing very little.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Feb 1, 11:50 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>> Also- I think if we really knew the consequences of our acts and
> >> >>> choices we might just curl up into a ball and do nothing. One friend
> >> >>> and I chuckle that we're all pretty much on an assembly line...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Feb 1, 5:27 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > Just to clarify my thought- that luck and timing can be good, bad
> or
> >> >>> > indifferent. Also rather than active thinking being a debate, it
> is
> >> >>> > more like selection. Literature and social sciences deal with
> >> >>> > layered
> >> >>> > communication- for instance, withholding facts, feelings or
> motives.
> >> >>> > It is often called discretion. :-) How do you mean "identity"?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > On Jan 31, 11:09 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > The 'making sense of things later' seems true even in the split
> >> >>> > > second
> >> >>> > > in brain research.  I regard all strategy as retrospectively
> >> >>> > > devised!
> >> >>> > > There's a book just out by Hill and Myatt (economists) on just
> how
> >> >>> > > facile economics teaching is in universities - but this contains
> >> >>> > > nothing on how this has happened.  Some of this seems to me
> >> >>> > > connected
> >> >>> > > with a lack of movement beyond identity Molly.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > On Jan 31, 1:30 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > Part of human nature is to identify with people, thoughts,
> ideas
> >> >>> > > > around us.  Being able to witness your identification, and
> >> >>> > > > moving
> >> >>> > > > beyond it is the real treasure.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > On Jan 29, 9:10 pm, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > Molly your question has my mind running around its dust
> bins.
> >> >>> > > > >  Most my
> >> >>> > > > > thoughts are not original but more composites of other
> ideas.
> >> >>> > > > > They are like
> >> >>> > > > > hand me downs,,  like the 3D image comes from watching how
> >> >>> > > > > people search
> >> >>> > > > > for treasure on sunken vessels, it is rags from a different
> >> >>> > > > > ?idea?.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > My world is a world of rags in the form of other ideas.
> >> >>> > > > > Allan
> >> >>> > > > >  On Jan 29, 2012 8:21 PM, "Allan H" <[email protected]>
> >> >>> > > > > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > > Yeah   it is kind of like an old dog sappen  on his
> favorite
> >> >>> > > > > > bone.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > > it is trying to understand others, and what I have
> >> >>> > > > > > experienced  As I have
> >> >>> > > > > > very few friends that like discussing God  I talk to
> myself
> >> >>> > > > > > a lot..which is
> >> >>> > > > > > no problem as I am never really alone,.
> >> >>> > > > > > Allan
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Molly <
> [email protected]>
> >> >>> > > > > > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> Not at all irrelevant.  did you have more thoughts about
> >> >>> > > > > >> this?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> On Jan 28, 10:19 am, gabbydott <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >>> > > > > >> > Hi Mol&Rigs, listening to you two I've been asking
> myself
> >> >>> > > > > >> > why none of
> >> >>> > > > > >> > you mentions Jung and his description of the collective
> >> >>> > > > > >> > unconscious. I
> >> >>> > > > > >> > haven't read the Red Book yet, but maybe of of you has
> >> >>> > > > > >> > and could tell
> >> >>> > > > > >> > me why this is irrelevant to what you are discussing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > The paramount paradox.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > On Jan 27, 8:21 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > Yes- I've read a lot of Campbell and admire his
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > efforts. In fact, I
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > was going to put the Oriental Mythology of his
> Masks
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > of God series
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > aside to reread- Indian, Chinese and Japanese
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > chapters. I wish I
> >> >>> > > > > >> could
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > keep certain studies on top of my thinking but
> maybe
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > I have read so
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > much there is a chute to forgetfulness or a pit of
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > scrambled
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > ideas! :-) Oh, dear!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > However, back to your comment about looking
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > back/within. I consider
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > there is impossible split between the spiritual and
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > material and yet
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > that is our struggle to bridge- if possible.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > On Jan 27, 6:32 am, Molly <[email protected]>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > Do myths disappear?  Joseph Campbell mapped
> common
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > human myth
> >> >>> > > > > >> around
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > the word and through time to discover a mechanism
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > something close
> >> >>> > > > > >> to
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > common memory - the expression of the same
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > archetypes in real
> >> >>> > > > > >> time,
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > isolated incidents around the globe and at the
> same
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > time.  This
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > phenomena has occurred throughout human history.
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > >  This may tell us
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > that it is not the looking back that is
> important,
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > but as Vam
> >> >>> > > > > >> says,
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > looking within.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > On Jan 26, 5:54 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > What is original? I might argue that one is
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > simply explicating
> >> >>> > > > > >> what
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > already exists.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > Each generation assumes it has a distinct
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > character- or needs
> >> >>> > > > > >> to prove
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > that it has.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > Was thinking the reason myths disappear is
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > because they were
> >> >>> > > > > >> oral and
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > native languages are usually suppressed by the
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > conquerors. One
> >> >>> > > > > >> also
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > carries family myths- which interfere with deep
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > communication.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes- there are terrible inequities- all the
> more
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > scandalous
> >> >>> > > > > >> because
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > there really is plenty to go around so the root
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > is greed and
> >> >>> > > > > >> distain
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > for others. Governments only pretend to care
> for
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > all its
> >> >>> > > > > >> citizens- it
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > picks and chooses.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > We passed the Gilded Age- I would call this the
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > Tinsel Age.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > On Jan 25, 9:45 am, archytas <
> [email protected]>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > I would say, Vam, that you often jump in the
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > water with an
> >> >>> > > > > >> 'entourage'
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > of assumptive baggage.  I probably dislike
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > citation more than
> >> >>> > > > > >> you and
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > am not the first.  Veblen would be a good
> start
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > (to use some
> >> >>> > > > > >> rough
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > citation).  These days, you can at least
> Google
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > the name.
> >> >>> > > > > >>  When I
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > started it meant a trip to the library.
>  Anyone
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > who has the
> >> >>> > > > > >> chance to
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > read a lot of what's available (this is still
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > remarkably few)
> >> >>> > > > > >> should
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > discover most of what they thought their own
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > ideas have been
> >> >>> > > > > >> done
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > before.  The idea  is no doubt to try to
> 'stand
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > on the
> >> >>> > > > > >> shoulders of
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > giants' (itself a wisecrack by Newton on
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Hooke's dwarfish
> >> >>> > > > > >> stature).
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > The 'giants' always turn out flawed.  Moses
> is
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > a war criminal
> >> >>> > > > > >> in
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Numbers 31, the Greeks, for all their
> argument,
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > never
> >> >>> > > > > >> produced a
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > decent one against slavery (the
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > lunatic-religious John Brown
> >> >>> > > > > >> being
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > better).  Many, because they don't read
> enough,
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > attribute
> >> >>> > > > > >> 'relativity'
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > to Einstein, but it has a longer and wider
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > history.  The
> >> >>> > > > > >> chattering
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > class reinvents the square wheel all over the
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > place.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > What if the best of our system is fascist and
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > we have grown
> >> >>> > > > > >> in such
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > culture, or a caste system?  By what
> processes
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > do we get an
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > understanding for change from such?  Western
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > propaganda would
> >> >>> > > > > >> have us
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > believe pouring resources into the gullets of
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > the rich is
> >> >>> > > > > >> sensible.
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > We all live in the gutter.  Only some  of us
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > lift our eyes to
> >> >>> > > > > >> the
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > stars.  If only I was smart enough to have
> been
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > first to
> >> >>> > > > > >> that! (Oscar
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Wilde)   A common jibe by academics is that
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > common sense is
> >> >>> > > > > >> that which
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > allows us to believe the world is flat - yet
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > flat-earth was an
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > academic construction - one can actually see
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > the curvature of
> >> >>> > > > > >> the
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Earth.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > What we need is reliable collective memory.
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Given our
> >> >>> > > > > >> capacity  to
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > pervert, citation is usually used in a highly
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > selective
> >> >>> > > > > >> manner,
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > usually along with a core academic (religious
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > etc.) narrative
> >> >>> > > > > >> of
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > exclusion of competing argument.  Control of
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > what is reliable
> >> >>> > > > > >> memory
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > is, of course, just what those in power want
> to
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > maintain -
> >> >>> > > > > >> perhaps
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > through principles of Home and Vanity.  I
> will
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > always prefer
> >> >>> > > > > >> the
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > margins to this, remembering that to oppose
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > tyranny can
> >> >>> > > > > >> pervert  into
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > its support.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > Deconstruction is only a beginning.  I
> believe
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > its spirit
> >> >>> > > > > >> concerns a
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > defeat of madness that includes rationalist
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > fantasy and animal
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > consensus (which I sense as grasping, selfish
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > individualism
> >> >>> > > > > >> easy to
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > rule).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > On Jan 25, 3:26 am, Vam <
> [email protected]>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >  "Is this not an important part of the
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > dynamic
> >> >>> > > > > >> multidimensional mind
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vam, can you find nothing of value with
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > meeting this view
> >> >>> > > > > >> at least as
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > a challenge?"
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > James, starting with God is a bad idea.
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Perhaps, ending up
> >> >>> > > > > >> at it is
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > what needs to happen. Dawkins was in Jaipur
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > here and I
> >> >>> > > > > >> found his view
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > a lot more balanced, less bigoted and
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > militant.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > And Neil is right : it must deal with
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > morality. Where his
> >> >>> > > > > >> discourse
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > runs dry is when he is quoting other
> people !
> >> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > That is also
> >> >>> > > > > >> my
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> read more ยป
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >  (
> >   )
> > |_D Allan
> >
> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
> >
> >
> >
>



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