Hello Bill, welcome to the group. Don't take me with any authority but I
lean toward the psychology opinion on this, but then I haven't
specifically had any reason to categorize any of my own experiences as
an 'encounter', 'abduction' or cross-pollination attempt. Purely out of
the privilege of ignorance on my part, for brevity.
We've been experimenting with genetic manipulation for some time now,
albeit in a rudimentary fashion mostly. I imagine that a species
advanced enough for interstellar or dimensional travel would be further
ahead in that area too. The hard part is imagining what need there would
be, why bother to sample more than a few, why not grab bushmen and keep
a low profile?
If we ignore the technology assumption and replace it with a species
that evolved radically different from us and quickly or fundamentally
relied on things we can't imagine our tech doing yet then there might be
some value in what we would see as a devolutionary approach, whereas the
species gains immense knowledge by merging with other advanced species
(or a sampling, not necessarily most advanced but they would seem most
viable), that otherwise they couldn't achieve naturally. From the merge
can be derived valuable adaptations and characteristics which they could
incubate as long as needed or just pack up and move on while building an
interstellar genetic library. Or they might just be preparing us for the
overlord species to arrive. heh
On 10/8/2012 3:54 PM, William L Houts wrote:
Heh, I sort of expected that the topics discussed here are somewhat more
serious than alien abductions and the rest of the fare which gets served
on the George Noory radio show. I can do that, but for now I guess I'll
watch from the sidelines until there's something I can really swat with
my conversational tennis raquet. In the meantime, here's sending
beneficent zen rays to you, my lightning-smart Net friends.
--Bill
On 10/8/2012 11:16 AM, Allan H wrote:
LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad
Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien abductions..
last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi
involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his
friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes stretching the
edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I said
hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the
door.
Allan
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM, William L Houts <[email protected]>
wrote:
This may be returning to a point in the conversation which we have long
since passed, but I'm still interested in the UFO thing. I've talked a
little about my one underwhelming UFO encounter, but I'm still
interested in
some of the UFO baggage which has yet gone unpacked. In particular, I'm
interested in the alien abduction meme. What are these people dealing
with?
They say, among other things, that aliens --Greys, Reptilians, and
Nordics
among other varieties-- are breeding them with alien races to create
hybrids. Well. It hardly seems possible, as any offworld species, having
evolved many light years away would hardly be compatible with Earth
reproductive biology. And yet, I feel there's something compelling in
these
accounts. Debunkers and critics claim these are sophisticated sexual
fantasies, but I really don't think so. Most abduction experiencers
("experiencers")report reactions of feeling raped rather than
ennobled by
these experiences. Betty and Barney Hill, probably the original
parents of
the modern abduction account, were recorded during their post-abduction
therapy sessions and can be heard screaming in terror. Jacques Valee,
whom I have referred to in the opening message of this thread,
compares this
abduction story to medieval accounts of abductions by fairies.
I really don't think guys in space ships are raping earthfolk, but
something
unusual is going on, and I would like to know, or at least speculate, on
what exactly is going on. Are these Space Age religious experiences,
dressed
up in Star Trek costume?
--Bill
On 10/8/2012 4:05 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
There is an area of the brain that stores certain memories. Also, I
think memories can be provoked through associations (Proust).But this
is an individual journey- not an explanation of our existence as a
species. Since we are derived from fish I am hoping I was once a wily
rainbow trout.:-) Anyway- I think memory makes sense of the past.
Beliefs are wishful thoughts that will reward our behavior until
proven otherwise- in this life and after death- but it does not
successfully explain what has happened to all those anonymous
millions.
On Oct 7, 5:01 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
I believe in the possibility of something god-like. I doubt this has
much to do with meeting it second left past the burning bush. Even
the prophet we dare not mention seems to have been created in retro to
control the new empire. Origin is endlessly deferred or nachtraglich
and it is interesting we don't carry the memories on our journey and
yet respond to fellowship and wider demands of the extended
phenotype. Memory, false or otherwise, seems to be about making sense
of the future. UFOs may be about of concerns, as in religion, as to
why we are here. I am protestant by inclination, finding organised
religion a control fraud. It could be our memories are unpacking when
our god-spots do their thing. It's interesting in general that we see
things that don't exist like demons, UFOs and visions.
On 4 Oct, 16:34, Allan H <[email protected]> wrote:
I do not think the schools are looking for the brightest but rather
they
are deliberately dumbing students down. Guess it is to keep them from
learning to think for themselves.
Allan
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:37 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
Not many are willing to put up with the chaos and violence of public
schools plus those who can afford it are thinking of the future
contacts and colleges they want for their children. Parents are sick
of the cultural garbage.
On Oct 4, 3:51 am, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote:
Roughly the same thing going on here with confessional schools. The
avoidance motif is where I see the problem begins.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:20 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
Catholic schools are rebounding to avoid public schools and are
attended by several faiths. The tuition is adjusted if one is a
parishoner, i.e. less tuition since you are expected to tithe,
so it
probably works out to the same amount.
Hello Gabby --it's great to meet you too. I don't know what
happened with
the name thing --I'm sure one William L. Houts is enough for
anyone.
--Bill
On 10/1/2012 10:02 AM, gabbydott wrote:
Hello Bill, I noticed that your screen name on the group
website is
rather
long. It reads: William L. Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon
William
L. Houts.
I was wondering if this was your intention.
Maybe yes. Just so much, I do differentiate between heaven and
afterlifeand their individual usability for corruption. Both
terms are
somehow
related to the future, but the access is different. Sorry, I
forgot
to
introduce myself. My name is Gabby (short for Gabriele), I am a
Protestant,
my first language is German, and I believe in God. I like to
listen
to
other people's stories which is why I have learned to keep my
own
very
short. Nice meeting you. :)
On Friday, September 28, 2012 7:17:08 AM UTC+2, William L. Houts
William
L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote:
I wonder if humans do dream of uncorrupted worlds, in general.
You'd
think that would be universal, and it does seem to be borne
out by
Western mythologies, with some exceptions. For instance, the
Greeks had
Olympus, but except for Heracles no one got to go there;
everyone
else
went to Hades, which was gloomy and boring if you were lucky
enough to
land there in general population, and terrifying if the gods
put
you in
Tartarus. And the Romans didn't seem to place faith in any sort
of
afterlife at all, which is one of the main reasons
whyChristianity
sold
like hotcakes. Eastern religions such as Buddhism had various
hells and
heavens, but they were sort of besides the point: your karma
is /
was
supposed to boil down to nothing and liberate you from the
Wheel
of
Rebirth, which was supposed to put you in Nirvana, which was
less
a
Heaven than it was a Nowhere. And Taoism doesn't have much
to say
about
heavenly afterworlds; its whole point is to make this world
more
just
and balanced and leaves heavens to the individual to figure
out.
But as to your question of whether humans long for uncorrupted
worlds, I
think that besides the Abrahamic religions noone takes them
very
seriously. And I think they've got a point: I mean, if you're
taking
your present existence at all seriously, then just what is an
afterlife
supposed to be about? Are we supposed to be eating bonbons all
day and
living in some version of American luxury? I'd like to
believe in
Heaven --which for me looks like a kind of liberal college
town,
with
libraries and funky old cinema houses-- but all of that
seems kind
of
empty if there's no gravitas, no seriousness. Without death,
without a
final marker which howls at us, Do what you must do NOW and die
knowing
that you've used your life well--without that, I think heaven
would
become kind of slouchy and boring, or worse. Unless, of course,
what's
waiting for us on the other side is something superrational but
beautiful, like being absorbed into the godhead, if such
there be.
So in answer to your question, I think we do dream of uncorrupt
worlds,
but if we examine them too closely, they tend to be bustable
soap
bubbles. And maybe I lack imagination, but I wonder, how
could it
be any
other way? Frankly, I'd like to be told how. I sound sensible
about all
of this if a little pessimistic, but in reality I'm a scared
ex-Catholic
who is terrified of death and wants to solve the Big Question
before
they're performing Last Rites on his sorry ass.
--Bill
On 9/27/2012 7:20 PM, rigsy03 wrote:
I wonder where you put the mythological and religious
other-worldlies-
from gods to guardian angels, etc.? Or the construct of
Dante's
"Divine Comedy", for instance. Do humans long for uncorrupted
worlds?
On Sep 27, 6:23 pm, William L Houts <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm with the pragmatists on the question of intelligent alien
species.
Many scientists who speculate on this sort of thing --though
there
really aren't that many of them-- say that such species
wouldn't
resemble anything so comforting as a humanoid physiology,
but I
think
they're partly mistaken. Surely there would be surprises in
the way
nature cooks up life on other planets with radically
different
chemistries than our dear old Mama Earth. But I think there's
reason
to
suppose that many alien species would resemble us. After all,
any
species we might imagine has to cope with gravity as it
evolves. So
they're much more likely to evolve some form of locomotion
which
involves two, four or six pedal extremities (as Fats Waller
calls
them)
rather than three or five: even-numbered legs are less wobbly
and
more
amenable to balanced movement which consumes fewer
calories. .
Also,
sense organs like eyes and ears are likely to be located
in or
close
to
a head, as there is survival value in having sense organs
located
close
to a brain, or whatever such species might use for brains.
Finally,
everyone in the cosmos requires energy to get going, so
they're
either
going to evolve photosynthesis and take their energy directly
from
their
sun or suns, or they're going to take their sunbeams
indirectly
by
consuming something lower in the food chain. I'm sure there
are lots
of
evolution pathways I'm leaving out, seeing as I'm a curious
poetrather
than a serious scientist type of guy, but I think these
notions
are,
as
Allan named other ideas of mine, sensible provisos.
PS. I left out centipedes and millipedes with their scores of
legs,
but
I think y'all's get what I'm saying here.
--Bill
On 9/27/2012 3:57 PM, archytas wrote:
I haven't seen any UFOs and tend not to be much
interested in
people
who claim to have - at least without Bill's sensible
provisos.
The
speed of thought as a brain process is slower than
light-speed
- but
then I'm basically a tropical fish realist. I'd have a bet
that no
one in this group would really have much of a definition of
light-
speed and the Ricel curvature tensor, Euler Langrangian and
the rest
of Einstein's field equations. I mean no offence and
don't do
much
of
this science myself.
If you point out to a physicist that the people from the
future who
have invented the time machine are in extraordinarily short
supply
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